Difference Between Catholic Bible and King James Bible
Catholic Bible vs. King James Bible
There has been a lot of confusion surrounding the Holy Bible that both Roman Catholic s and Protestants use, because of the varied versions that have been printed and distributed throughout the world today. It may be because of the never ending dispute between Catholics and Protestants on what should be and shouldn’t be included in the Christian Bible that lights the continuity of the said argument.
The Catholic Bible is actually the generic term for the Christian Bible. By nature, it includes the so-called Old and New Testaments. It includes the 5th century Latin Vulgate, which is primarily St. Jerome’s work.
Conversely, the King James Bible version is just one of the many versions of the Holy Book circulated throughout. Some of the other versions made or edited by Roman Catholics include: The Latin Vulgate itself, the Douay-Rheims Version, The Jerusalem Bible and the New American Bible, amongst many others.
At the dawn of the 17th century, the making of the King James Bible version was initiated by the English King James the First. It was said to have been completed around 1611. The King James Version (KJV) is regarded as one of the first English translations of the Catholic Bible, with the Great Bible and the Bishops Bible as its first two English predecessors. The KJV was translated or written with the use of the most original manuscripts in Hebrew and Greek. The problem with the translating process at that time was that the translators were mostly pure Englishmen, with limited knowledge of Hebrew. There were also a small number of texts to which their new version had to be based, including the Greek Textus Receptus for the New Testament and the Hebrew Masoteric for the Old Testament. Their translation also included the Apocrypha, although newer versions of such do not include the said books. Moreover, the scholars who were tasked by the king to do the translation asked for little or no help from anyone in translating the Catholic Bible. The result is a book that contained lots of errors. No wonder there has been many revised versions of this English Bible, named the New King James Version.
Overall, no matter what Bible version you are reading, more or less the message remains the same. Even if the phrasing and wordings are somewhat altered, almost all Bible versions, including the KJV, tells of the same message about God. All in all:
1. The Catholic Bible is a more generic term for the Holy Bible.
2. The KJV is just one of the many other versions of the Holy Bible.
Here are some of the interesting questions:
So what bible do Catholics use? Roman catholic bible?
Catholics use the New American Bible.
Was king James catholic?
King James was brought up in the Presbyterian church. He was baptized in a Roman Catholic church and learned Anglican during his rule.
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Go back to the Hebrew Bible and There starts the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. THE NT IS A CONTINUATION OF THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. All the bibles, with the exception of the removal of the 6 Deuteronocial books, are basically the same, take the NKJV which realistically says the same basic things as the KJV. only the “thy, thee, changed to you, your. The BASE STAYED THE SAME. MOST EDITIONS ARE EDITED FOR THIS REASON, MAKING IT EASIER FOR THE READER, THE INSPIRED WORD IS THE SAME FOR ALL THE BOOKS, Again except the removal of the Deuteronocial which in my opinion is Blasphemous.
Of course the KJV is not based upon the Catholic Bible, in fact the rejected it specifically. The majority texts they choose, deliberately rejecting the minority texts of the RCC. The source texts of the Authorized Version are the true texts of Christendom. All of the quote revisions were not of text of KJV but type, you see the spelling was not settled nor the text type, and yes there were some obvious translator errors here and there they wanted to correct but nothing of merit changed unlike the modern versions which have changed the very word of God in hundreds plus points. Compare just these three note well lets differences, start with Matthew 24:36 the NIV adds “not the son” Collossians 1:14 deletes “through the blood” and in Hebrews 7:21 ” after the order of Mechizedech” is removed, look these up in NIV compare them to KJV.
This is not true , there have been thousands of ancient biblical documents found since the publication of the KJV .which is the reason the “revisers” went to work in the 1860’s . try listening to someone who knows the history of the English bible .
Yes but those text were corrupted by Origen of the Knostics. Origen being the head who thought he knew more than God!
1,2 and 3rd John were written to refute Knostisim. 33 times in 1st, 3nd and 3rd John, John says you can know! Alleluia!
Protestants only got biblical texts bcse they were preserved by the Catholic Church. Also, Protestant bibles are adapted to protestant theology of which there are TWO! Couldn’t make their minds up it seems.The Tyndale bible was so corrupted that Henry VIII TWICE issued an Edit banning it. The source of all truth for 2000 years is the Catholic Church. Protestantism is only 500 years old!
Ditzy, who was the first Pope?
Peter
So which version should I use?
Peter also known as Cephus or Petra “The Rock”
How could Peter have been a Pope when he was married? Christ healed Peter’s mother in law in the book Matthew. Peter was dead long before people started changing Christ’s church to include Bishops, a pope, sprinkling for immersion baptism and infant baptism all of which was NEVER seen in God’s word until over 600 yrs in the Roman cultrure.
Thank you for your initial comment. It had me doing a little bit of research. Supposedly there may have been four legally married Popes. To be Pope you need to be male, Catholic, and baptized in the Catholic Church. The celibacy requirement didn’t enter the church until much later. The caveat here is the Pope is also the Bishop of Rome and bishops are to be celibate. Which keeps any Catholic male from becoming Pope. As far as baptism goes, there is no passage that says children are to be excluded from it. In fact, when God makes a covenant with someone it included their entire household. This probably included children. About the hierarchy of the church, St. Stephen was a Deacon of the church. St. Paul, before his conversion, participated in Stephen’s execution. St. Peter and St. Paul knew each other. Meaning Peter and Paul and Stephen lived at the same time and since Stephen was a Deacon there had to be a form of hierarchy in place early in church history.
Oh we think there were protesters
from day one. There existed the (local) orthodox view on issues.
And there were the hetrodox. Then the local powers coalesced into the “orthodox” and universal (small “c” catholic)view. But
the protests hung around until they were hung.
It was only with the invention of movable type for printing that allowed the then protesters to be called protestants (our “Protestants”).
Protestants will always exist.
There are thousands of sects just in North America. Worldwide there are at least 5,000 sects of Christianity. Even our “Roman Catholic Church” has sects within sects. (And each one is The One True Faith).
THIS VIDEO WILL EXPLAIN THE TRUTH ABOUT THE KING JAMES BIBLE. I DARE YOU TO DISPUTE THIS FACT
https://youtu.be/BQYPv67YgZA
The source of all truth is ADONAI-Tzva’ot (YHWH). There is no other.
Show me proof of the Catholic religion at the time of Jesus being in earth ! Tell me dates when Peter was 1st supposed pope. Something that important surely would be in the Bible if it really was true . There is none.
You are absolutely right. Early Christians like the apostles did not celebrate or worship a ything close to Catholicism. In fact most Catholics beliefs go against the bible.
There was no church at all until after the resurrection and Pentecost. No one was ever “saved” by Jesus since he had not yet made the one and only sacrifice, defeated Satan and presented his blood on the mercy seat in heaven.
Agree
Absolutely!
They are all man made religions!
They’ve missed the most important part, which is Christ!
Christ who rebuked the religious leaders.
Christ who was the true Church…not a building!
These people are more concerned about all the rituals, religion’s, popes, Mary, but they still have no relationship with Christ, or the Holy Spirit indwelling within them, otherwise they would be more concerned about the love of Christ.
They would have discernment, & their true concerns would be Salvation, as Christ is soon to catch up His bride, before the wrath of God pours out on the earth.
God bless you❣
OMG! Really? So who was the first Pope? And at the end of the day, why are we all arguing? Have faith? Profess love! As long as we “Unite” as “Christians”, that’s what matters. We are ONE, we all believe in the Father, the Son: Jesus, Yeshua, don’t we? All of us are imperfect, our religions are imperfect too, but God is perfect, let’s imitate his kindness, and can we all please get along? It’s the end of our days, let’s pray together for this world guys! Love ❤️
Barbie M.
Then, the Catholic Church should have had no problem refuting Martin Luther’s 95 theses. Instead, they sentenced him to be burned at the stake. Is it just possible the Pope was in error, and God intervened, in the person of Frederick the Wise,and saved Luther’s life? Even Dante condemned several Popes to Hell; and put them far down, in the Bolgia of the Simoniacs, in the Eighth Circle. Dante several times made reference to the Donation of Constantine, where Constantine awarded the Church temporal power, and opened the door to its corruption.
Well, know that we that have been given much will be required much! God bless you! Jesus said don’t go by the rules of man! Don’t be religious and leave Jesus out of your life!
I grew up in your corrupted “Roman Catholicism” Sadly, you don’t know that you are blinded (spiritually) by an idolatrous religious cult! Roman Catholicism has a mix of false doctrines and false prophets, and pagan religious rituals! (Babylonian and Roman idols) The Roman Catholic church worships Mary and other saints which are dead! Neither Mary nor these dead saints can intercede on behalf of anyone! Jesus Christ alone is the Head of the true Church! And we are not saved by anything other than the holy, righteous blood of Jesus Christ! Roman’s 3:10,23 As it is Written, there is none righteous, (created human beings), no, not one. For all have sinned, and come short of the Glory of God. Rom. 5:8 But God commendeth (showed) His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Rom. 6:23 For the wages (what we earned due to our sin) of sin is death, (separation from God for eternity), but the (free to us, but it cost God His only begotten Son [Jesus Christ]) Gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by (God’s) Grace (we cannot ever deserve, earn, merit or purchase) are ye saved through faith, (in the shed innocent, pure and holy); and that not of yourselves; it is the (free) Gift of God, not of our works (deeds, keeping of sacraments and religious rituals, giving to Church or charities, etc.), lest any man (person) should boast. John 3:16 For God so loved the world (human beings), that He gave His only begotten Son (Jesus Christ), that whosoever believeth (puts their total and complete trust in) in Him (Jesus Christ) should not perish, (suffer eternal death and judgment in the lake of fire), but have Everlasting Life. 17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world (human beings) through Him (Jesus Christ) might be saved. 18 He that believeth (puts his total and complete trust in the sacrificial death, burial and glorious Resurrection of Jesus Christ alone) in Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not (Is not Born-again from above) is condemned already, because he hath not believed (been born again) in the Name of the only begotten Son of God. (Jesus Christ). 19 And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness (sin, rebellion against God and His Inspired, Inerrant and Infallible Word) rather than Light (Jesus Christ alone), because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone that doeth evil (sin/rebellion against God and His Word) hateth the Light, (Jesus Christ and His Inspired, Inerrant and Infallible Word: the Holy Scriptures, not man made religion), neither cometh to the Light, (Jesus Christ), lest his deeds (works) should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth Truth cometh to the Light, (Jesus Christ and His Inspired, Inerrant and Infallible Word), that his deeds may be made manifest (revealed), that they are wrought in God. 35 The Father loveth the Son (Jesus Christ, and hath given all things into His Hand (Jesus Christ), 36 He that believeth (trusteth in) on the Son (Jesus Christ) hath Everlasting Life: and he that believeth (trusteth not) not the Son shall not see Life *Everlasting Life); but the Wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, (Nicodemus) Verily, Verily, I say unto thee, Except a man (person) be Born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto Him (Jesus Christ), how can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus, Verily, Verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (first and natural birth) and of the (Holy) Spirit, the second and the supernatural birth) he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the (Holy) Spirit is Spirit. 7 Marvel not (So not be so surprised) that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The Word (the Holy Scriptures) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the Word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess (speak) with thy mouth, the Lord Jesus (as your personal Savior and Lord [Master/ruler), and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him (Jesus Christ) from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the man believeth (puts all his trust in) unto righteousness, (the righteousness of Christ alone); and with the mouth confession (Admitting to others, especially God, not to a priest: that’s the law, not faith) is made unto salvation. For the Scripture saith, whosoever believeth (puts his complete trust in) on Him (Jesus Christ alone) shall not be ashamed. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord (not on a man who is human, like Mary or some other dead saint) shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed (trusted in)? and how shall they believe (trust in) in Him (Jesus Christ alone) of Whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is Written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the Gospel of peace (true eternal peace with God), and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the Gospel, For Esaias (Isaiah) saith, Lord, who hath believed our report, 17 So then faith (in the only Messiah and Savior of man:Jesus Christ) cometh by hearing, and hearing, by the Word of God: (the Holy Scriptures, [not man made doctrines and teachings])!!
Let us be cordial with our Protestant friends.The true bible has and always will be decided by the Catholic church.Truth will always come out.To say Catholics don’t have the bible is wrong,the Sunday Catholic goes through the bible in 3 years ,the daily mass goer in 2.Let bigotry not be our code but the love of Our Lord Jesus Christ
I agree. It is not as cut and dried as is portrayed. The King James and NKJ do tally with the original Greek. I do not accept that these are blasphemous. Someone is getting a bit unbalanced here. There are a few problems which are well known anyway. The one I avoid personally is the NIV. There are contradictions to the Greek and also a lot of things are missing. I have heard that the new versions are gender neutral taking on the current culture which is contrary to scripture anyway. The UN is also producing a bible taking out things contrary to current culture such as the bible view on homosexuality etc. so we all have to be careful what we are reading these days.
Load of crap. Don’t forget that people were not educated. Could not read Latin and forced to believe that if they gave money to the Catholic church, all sins would be forgiven, blah blah. The Gospels were not written in the order you see. Refer to Q it quelle documents. Gospels NOT written down in any way shape or form until AT LEAST 80 years after the ‘ death’ of Christ. Get your facts straight. Yours faithfully, Religious Academic scholar
SEERER: What’s so different about the PROSPERITY THEOLOGY promoted by numerous ‘protest-ant’ preachers pervasive on TV, ONLINE, MAILINGS, etc?? Their message, ‘give money–to me; get back 50 fold! All the FAKE healing exploiting people–bilking people out of MILLIONS of dollars.. If I were so inclined, I could go to college get a liberal arts degree with theology classes—then go set up my own church;preach my own version of Scripture and take in untold amount of money. We have several churches like that in my area. Get a BS or BA from Liberty College etc and you are qualified to be a “minister” or in one church based on this model, you can be called “PASTOR” Richard, George, Bob, or whatever. He’s just some guy who got a loan to build a ‘little log church’ in an out of the way area of our town. By nature of the preferred name, ‘Protestant’, implies protesting against the ‘original’. Also check out several biographies of Martin Luther–you might be surprised at the life he led. Check out how his theology of being baptized only guaranteed entrance to heaven. NOT GOOD WORKS, but BAPTISM ALONE! Find out how that warped theology assuaged German consiences as they gradually were able to take part in the heinous acts of NAZI GERMANY.. Luther said they were saved by nature of their baptism::didn’t matter what they DID!! I could go on and on re your specious premises, but you’re so uninformed it would take forever. Go get educated about the Catholic Church, you might just become one!
Thank you! You are right on.
The KJV was authorized by the King named James not by the Church and that is only a translation of the copy fromTextus Receptus which is a Catholic Bible. A copy cannot surpass the ORIGINA, hence your opinion is wrong. The valid institution which can authorize the translation of the bible is not a secular society but the CHURCH founded by the Lord Jesus Christ because it is the Church through its leaders who can legislate ordinances and authority based on the power given by Christ in Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18
Wrong. The catholic bible was commissioned by Constantine 600 years after the romans killed a man named jesus
Thank you for being correct. I am getting melancholy and want to sit in holy water in case demons jump off the heretic.
Constantine was not alive 600 years after Jesus died.
If you’re going to tell someone they’re wrong, don’t follow it up with an assertion that is also demonstrably wrong.
Constantine ruled from 306-337. The historical crucifixion of Jesus probably occurred somewhere between 28-33, so claiming 600 years passed from the crucifixion to the arrival of biblical cannon is an outrageous statement. Constantine commissioned Bibles to be made, but their exact contents are unknown. At the end of the 4th century, though, the current list of canonical books was well established.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Bibles_of_Constantine It was in 331AD
Some of the commentary on here troubles me, as does the number of versions of the Bible; each claiming to be the unaltered “Word of God”. I half jokingly said, many years ago, that; while the Bible may be the Word of God, Man has had over 2000 years to edit. So, who is telling the Truth, and who is spreading false doctrine?
Religion is Christianity’s worst enemy all these comments prove this, folks all we have to do is believe in Jesus Christ and that he is Gods son birthed by Mary his mother and God would not have picked Mary if he knew she would turn him down I learned that from a Catholic friend, she said Mary could have said no but thats belittling our God because he knew she was the one, Catholics pray to Mary thinking she is God so untrue we pray father, son, and Holy Spirit , they pray Mary, son, and Holy Spirit. I don’t argue religion just pray that they find the truth
It is the enemy , satan, that’s spreads false doctrine. I believe that each time the Bible has been altered or had things removed, has been the works of satan and his evil minions. Due to the nature of demonic possession , oppression, obsession, and supression….the high standings of the people throughout history who have carried out these changes, are unaware that their actions are choices weren’t their own. I think it is safe to say that most kings or rulers , had committed sin whether they knew it or not. Man controlling other man ,being selfish , lasting, greed,sloth , glutony….of course king James had thinned out the hedge and opened certain doors. I think it is pertinent to remember who was given power and authority of this Earthly domain…the prince and power of the air…satan. everything percievable to man , is his and he has authority to manipulate any and everything of it. Including books. I myself have a hard time discerning anything in the bible , written by man’s accordance , as the true Word of God. Written word is from man , of the earth , part of satans bag of tricks . I don’t think it very far fetched that the master of manipulation , king of lies who’s favorite weapon is deception and trickery, would have had something to do with altering the written Eord of God in a fashion that caused believers to worship the wrong deity as their Father in Heaven , and not even know it.Then you have the mandela effect which I believe has evil roots. I would like to hear the opinions from anybody that reads this. I by no means claim to be a scholar in the field, nor do I claim any professional title in the sense , but I do claim to have a memory like a steel trap. I.know for a fact that Isaiah 11:6 used to read …the day shall come when the Lion will also dwell with the Lamb. Feel free to look up the verse , and I would like to hear your thoughts on how that verse now says that the wolf and not the Lion. My point is whether through man or supernatural forces , biblical altering are the works of satan, therefor it seems redundant to try and pick it apart looking for truth. The enemy has the power and authority to change the Word and the world as we see it, and what better way to have us all destroy ourselves and loose our souls .
But the Catholic bible is not the original. The Greek and Hebrew are. You must understand that the Greek word for church is ecclesia. All it means is a gathering for a set purpose and is used for other types of meetings in the new testament. I don’t go with the notion that the Catholic church is the true church. Christ is head of the body and all who have faith in Him are part of the body. I say that as one that has been brought up in a residential catholic school with monks in it and also a convent with nuns. These people never read the bible to us and spoke about Mary far more than Jesus together with rosaries, confession, scapulars, medals, the Pope, praying to Mary, praying to the saints. I don’t get involved with any of that stuff now.
The lost book of Jasher also removed…. fascinating.
We were put on this world to create.
Thank you
The New King James version of the Holy Bible is blasphemous
i grew up as a catholic , and was as lost as everyone there , just to see the chicas and what they wore that day , i was religious but did not have a Relationship with Jesus , untill i became born again , John 3 , that relationship came when i accepted the Jesus Christ into my heart , and The Lord opened my eyes to the Truth , Apostle Paul says by the Holy Spirit , to come out of her[ false church } my people and be you separate says The Lord and i will receive you . now touching the difference between bibles , i CHALLENGE You , get you catholic bible and get a KJV bible and compare Exodus 20 , the commandment , no wonder why catholic people are so mislead and have so many idols !!! Look at the translation !!! if you have a heart for Jesus , you are at a cross roads ! You have to Choose ! Choose wisely !
Try learning about the faith before you comment.
You have never been a Catholic because you went to church For the wrong reason to see the chicas not Jesus. You never recognized him as your Lord there, in his Holly church. So sad you left his Holly Body and Blood for coke and bread.
Wow I bet you are not a born again Christian
I too am a Birm Again in the Spirit and love the Catholic Church. It is sad you have been confused by Protestant lies. Statues in Catholic Churches are not idols. They are erected in honour of men and women who gave their lives to bring the Gospel to the lost.We alone hve the REAL Risen Body and Blood of Jesus in the Eucharist unlike Protestants who only have yeast bread and grapes as a “memorial”. ANYBODY WHO EATS OF MY BODY AND DRINKS MY BLOOD SHALL HAVE LIFE EVERLASTING. He never said “Anybody who REMEMBERS me…”. You have been led astray. Come home to the Catholic Church my brother.
PSALMS 115
1. Not UNTO us, O Lord, not unto us, But to Your name give glory, Because of Your mercy, Because of Your truth.
2.Why should the Gentiles say,”So where is their God? 3. But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases.
4.Their idols are silver and gold, The work of men’s hands. 5. They have mouths, but they do not speak; Eyes they have, but they do not see; 6. They have ears, but they do not hear; Noses they have, but they do not smell; 7.They have hands, but they do not handle; Feet they have, but they do not walk; Nor do they mutter through their throat. 8.Those who make them are like them; So is everyone who trust in them. 9. O Israel,trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield. 10. O house of Aaron, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield. 11.You who fear the Lord, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield. 12. The Lord has been mindful of us; He will bless us; He will bless the house of Israel; He will bless the house of Aaron. 13. He will bless those who fear the Lord, Both small and great.
14. May the Lord give you increase more and more, You and your children.
15.May you be blesses by the Lord, Who made heaven and earth.16. The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord’s; But the earth He has given to the children of men. 17.The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor any who go down into silence. 18. But we will bless the Lord
From this time forth and forevermore.
Praise the Lord!
where is that saying exactly. I’m having a difficult discussion with someone who believes eating the flesh & drinking the blood is not for eternal life. She beieves one is saved by faith alone.
Hello Friend. Just reading thru some old info. Would like to ask: what, exactly, did Christ mean, as stated in Luke 22:19 ” This is My body which is given for you; do this in remebrance of me”. Every time we take the blessed communion, we ARE remembering Him and what He did AND, that He is coming again. And we ate PROCLAIMING, all of those truths. Just a thot
I am fascinated by ur reply…this was my long time quest…God bless you..
Cannibalism sounds like wichcraf
How many times did you receive body and blood of Jesus Christ in the Catholic Church if not only body while priests eat body and blood? Is that what we commanded? Even the so called Easter is never for believe read act 12:4 use NKJV
You seem like a very close minded individual. Believe your way or its wrong. It can’t be good for your soul. I don’t think the spirit that moves in all things intended it that way. So there ya have it. Another reason to crucify someone. Its people like you sir that really need to sit on a lonely mountain top and look within. You’ll find him everywhere its quite liberating. Good luck on you journey
Love your soul! Yes! I am in the same position wishing I could remember what was in the chapter Wisdom, Song of Songs, Macabee, etc. Now to listen to our brothers fear of the law in religion becau6s of the Catholic Church and this belief of condemning inside the religion instead of teaching the grace of Jesus & how we are created in God’s image to be the hands and feet of Jesus! You are forgiven!!
where did Protestants come from, how it started ,
Martin Luther in the fifteenth century ‘ protested’ ( hence where the term protestant hails from. It’s unfortunate our catholic and protestant brother’s and sisters are in arguments, we are all Christians, the same in the sense we all love Jesus! We shouldn’t argue, instead share knowledge that God our father will give to us if we only ask, and invite the holy spirit also for discernment, understanding, and guidance. It’s exciting to learn, just try to not confuse yourselves, remember read the mighty word with faith, and his spirit guiding you along the way, God bless you all ❄️❤️
Well said
Jim McDonald
Thank you Jerry. I appreciate your comments. I agree we should learn from each other and let the Holy Spirit lead us in our beliefs.
I agree for what is the true basis for salvation? Is it not the acceptance of Christ as God’s means of reconciliation of fallen and sinful humans!? Thru which Christ had to shed is blood and water to seal the New Covenant! The arguments that I see here have been the blood shed of our Christian Brothers and Sisters! The shed blood of our King and Savior should unite all Christians worldwide!! He knows his sheep! I love you all! In the name Christ, Amen!!!
Jerry that is well said We are not to argue over disputable matters we must be born again. Catholics place too much faith in their priests I believe I believe you must go to Jesus directly no man can forgive sins except for Jesus Christ because He was fully man and fully God Mary was blessed among women but the Bible never says she can forgive sins
Amen. Very well stated and so much truth. How does the Church expect to be a light in this dark world if we are still a mess. God help us all and may the Holy Spirit lead us into a spirit of unity and reconciliation. God bless you all.
Too much anger in these comments. It’s disheartening. Keep you faith simple, believing on the Lord Jesus for salvation, and stop arguing over esoteric details that may never be accurately understood by humans.
Thank you, wrll said, God Bless
Protestants…because they protested against Catholicism. Why do they akwats target and ctiticize Carholics??? Why don’t they criticize Muslims or others who don’t believe in Gid? WHY CAtholics???
All this rhetoric is very disturbing. We all come from different places in our faith. All the intellect in the world doesn’t mean a thing if we do not love one another. No one should be targeting others of a different faith. It is not our place to judge others just reach out and love one another.
Praise Jesus! Welcome brother!!
Amen my brother!
I agree
You speak from a heart filled with love & the Holy Spirit brother, may our Lord Jesus bless you in all you do, thanks for your post bro.!!
DO YOU KNOW WHST IDOLS ARE STOP TALKING OUT THE SUDE OF YOYR FACE AND LISTENING TO PEOPLE WHOM WANT TO DRAG YOU TO HELL.https://youtu.be/tj3FwjvYDDs
SO, WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT JESUS, YOU HERETIC, GROW UP
Roland…love that you found and accepted Jesus..great choice…but you shouldnt blame the Catholic faith for your attitude before because you chose not to really know what the church was teaching you..perhaps because you were much younger and your interest and priority were so different.
Catholics are not mislead..we have traditions that we still observe since the olden times. If we have religious photos and statues you lnow deep down that we dont believe these are our God..they serve as reminders and images of God but we dont worship them..We worship the One True God who is Gos the Father Jesus and the Holy Spirit..
Pagans who worship idols thought that those statues are alive and they consider them as their real God..Catholics don’t..
Im proud and happy to be a Catholic because the Church teaches us to love and respect other religions and because of that i am able to attend different Christian services and bible study.all of us see what is outside of people.
Only God knows our true selves and our intentions do pls pls leave the JUDGING TO GOD.
thats His command so you wont be judged. GOD BLESS US ALL and let’s learn to respect each others religion and practices. Just like you said when you were a Catholic you didnt practice it well and never paid attention..so how will you know that what we are being taught are wrong?happy that you now know Jesus..
Amen! I was going to reply but you pretty much took the words out of my mouth! Thank you. God bless
Yes, agree with you I too am IA Catholic but also listen to other Christian services as well.
God is unity and we need to all understand that
You are so right
I accepted Jesus Christ as lord and savior
Paul said confess with your mouth Jesus is lord
And believe in your heart Jesus is lord and savior and you will be forever saved
Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life and no one comes to my father except thru me
I am happy for you as I believe the Catholic Church with all its rituals
Distract from the simple message of Jesus
Grace thru faith
So simple
Do I believe there are no Christians in the Catholic Church
No I don’t but I absolutely believe Jesus is our messiah and our propitiation to god
We pray to god thru Jesus
SAlvation is free Jesus paid the price for our sins
Catholic have always had the original Bible, kjv is misguided, as your comment.
We as Catholics worship one God. We do not worship idols. How ironic that the experts on Catholicism are non Catholics. As a Catholic, I don’t have the authority to judge others who worship differently than I do. God bless
I too was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic school from elementary through high school. The rosary alone has you praying to Mary. Catholic Churches have idols/statues of Mary, the Saints & apostles in their churches… Mary is not a god or 1/2 god for she is human. When angel Gabriel gave her the good news she replied, “I am the Lord’s servant.” No where in the Bible does it say that Mary was conceived free from original sin and was perfect, but the Catholic Church assumed it. The Catholic doctrine also says Mary had no more children and remained pure, which is a lie bc she married Joseph. Matt 12:46; 13:55, Mark 6:3, John 2:12, 7:3, 5, 10, Acts 1:14, 1 Cor. 9:5, Gal. 1:19 all state she had at least (4) other son’s with Joseph (Joseph James Jude & Simon). The church claims Joseph had a former wife, but there’s no biblical foundation that supports it, which is just another assumption. Proverbs 30:6, “add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” They also don’t advocate the gifts of the Holy Spirit, it’s almost like you’re praying to a dead God… The gift of tongues is here and now… we are born in the image of God and in the end times Acts 2:17 says, “and it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young man she’ll see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.” Please pray for wisdom, understanding & discernment! We’re in those time!
The King James version of the Bible was written out of ignorance and anger of the King.
Philosophers, atheists, magicians, unbelievers were assembled to review the Bible in the way that suits them.
The king was carried away by youthful exobearance to carry out the review.
He was baptized in the Catholic Church but was not willing to learn about the Catholic doctrine
Your are so correct! Praise our Lord Jesus Christ! Amen!
The best comment I’ve read in page. Religion i don’t care of its name or time its been in existence. Jesus is Lord and by faith we are saved, its a gift of our Lord nothing we can do but believe in Jesus… Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast
There was ONLY ONE TRUE church Christ had St. Peter and the Apostles ordained. It is the ONLY denomination for over 1500 yrs till rebel Luther and then king James who wanted a divorce for adultery and was denied by the Pope so he got mad and butchered the Catholic Bible (only Bible in existence) and fell away because he wanted to disobey God.
How can you judge the religion of you didn’t practice it you we’re only there to see the chicas. I happy for you that you are happy in your new religion but please make note that judgement comes from God alone and not man no matter what religion he or she are in. Have a blessed day.
Pathetic. One Holy Catholic Apostolic. The rest are Protestant (Protesters).
You are correct. The Catholic Churched changed a lot of the bible. The Lord says, Remember the Sabbaths. Keep the 7th day Holy. The 7th day is Saturday. It was the Papal, who thought THEY had the right to change the Sabbath day to the 1st day of the week, They also defiled The word with Confessional, claiming man had to confess to another man to be absolved of Sin. Jesus died on the Cross for that. Just yet another Catholic lie of many, in order to confuse the people into taking the Mark of the Beast.
Another expert on Catholicism. When will it end?
Everything that is in darkness must come to light. So yes you do need to confess your sins to bring them out of the hidden darkness. If you never confess them that remain in secret, hence you die with your sin. I can’t take that bet. I would rather do it and be wrong, rather than the alternative.
Please explain about the mark of the beast being the catholic service!
very good and truth
In what way exactly. I’m not being facetious I’m interested in the subject. Raised Catholic, I’d like to know the specific differences, especially those that you term “Blasphemous”.
And, you base that, on what?
How are the Deuterocanonical books blasphemous? Since in 2 Macc, the whole story of how the Jews today celebrate Hanukkah, is missing, as is more than 100 years of historical timeline before Christ was removed by Luther bc it did not suit his doctrine. The Canon (table of contents- not a part of the Bible) was decided under Pope Damasus I in The Council of Rome in 382 AD, continued at the Council of Hippo in 393 AD, and confirmed at the Council of Carthage in 397 AD BY St Augustine, which the OT AND NT WERE CONFIRMED AS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD! This Alexandrian Canon is the Septuagint OT which Jesus Christ quoted, and used. The OT was approved by 70 Jewish elders in 250 BC, who translated OT books into Greek, the popular language at the time. Then 1517 years later Luther rejects the Deuterocanonical books, based on a Jewish (no authority over the established Christians) Pharisaical, Hebrew speaking Palistine group in 90 AD IN JAMNIA. This is your Protestant (protesting based on ignorance) Bible. And did Luther read Rev. 22:19? Probably not! Esp. Since he also wanted to omit Revelations and also James!
If you are going to represent yourself as an authority do yourself a favor. It is Revelation and not revelations. It the Revelation of Jesus Christ, some calling it the Revelation of John which is not proper.
Exactly!
Yes!!!! Thank you. I have no training other than reading the Bible as a Christian. But I have reading these comments. Smh
Amen!
Don’t forget which God gave him
I am a Catholic. Recently I decided to read the New Testament and I happen to have a KJV. Within the 1st page in the gospel of Mathew I encounter something that is not in catholic bibles or Sometimes very fundamental to the of catholics teachings that Mary was always a Virgin Ever virgin. She did not have anymore kids
Mary was a virgin when she carried Jesus…after that she had more children with Joseph..I know he had at least a brother.Im ashamed I don’t remember his name right now
Were u Marys next door neighbour
I am Eastern Orthodox. Our Patriarch is in Damascus. I’m not bragging,
I just want to let you know who I am especially since I have not seen the Orthodox comments. We also like the Catholics use the earliest form of the Old and New Testaments. However, our version has a few more books which are apocryphal than the Catholics. My wife and I are both born again Christians and believe that Christ sits on his Mercy Seat. I love reading about the ancient saints. What they went though would pale us.
We believe that all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved. No one has God in his/her hip pocket.
On a different note, about the Virgin Mary, she remained a virgin her whole life. Her Husband Joseph was her uncle who had children from a previous wife. He was much older than Mary and was more of a guardian to her than a lover. I have been reading a book on the life of Mary that is about 500 pages long and is quite telling.
Blessings to you all.
Brother in Christ, Jerry…blessings to you & to the Churches of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
I’m amazed to know that there’s a book you have about Mother Mary…may you please share the title of the book (& more of favor, the publisher).
Thank you so much, you are really born again like Nicodemus who both respect the Mother & her Son!
James was Jesus’ brother.
Mr 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Mr 6:4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Interpreting the bible with only an English translation and applying modern word meanings is what leads to errors of interpretation such as you described. In addition to the World in front of the text as you described, anybody seeking understanding of the pericope needs to look at the world behind the text and the world of the text, also.
Some things to think about and consider when the Bible talks about the “Brothers” of Jesus:
Mary wife of Cleophas and “sister” of the Virgin Mary (Jn 19:25) is the mother of James and Joset (Mk 15:47; Mt 27:56) who are called the “brothers of Jesus” (Mk 6:3).
Acts 1:12-15 … apostles, Mary, “some women” and Jesus’ “brothers” number about 120. That is a lot of “brothers.”
Gen 14:14 … Lot, Abraham’s nephew (Gen 11:26-28), described as Abraham’s brother (KJV).
Gen 29:15 … Laban, Jacob’s uncle, calls Jacob his “brother” (KJV).
John 19:26-27 … Jesus gives care of Mary to John, not one of his “brothers.”
And the Greek word “until” how it is used in 2 Sam 6:23, Gen 8:7, Dt 34:6
About Mary:
Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5; 2 Kings 2:1-13 … Enoch and Elijah taken to heaven. Lk 1:28 … annunciation.
Lk 1:42-48 … blessed are you among women.
2 Tim 4:8, Jas 1:12, 1 Pet 5:4, Rev 2:10 … coronation awaits saints.
Jn 2:1-5 … Mary’s intercession.
She had more kids!!! The Bible mentions the half brother James. She was only a Virgin when she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit. Immaculate Conception
The virgin birth was the birth of Mary not Jesus. Mary was born without “ sin” . Jesus was born of Mary because she was without Original Sin and as such ….pure.
The Immaculate Conception was Mary’s conception.
Joseph is acknowledged as the physical father of Jesus and god the father as his Heavenly Father.
Remember that Jesus was also god, so Joseph was important in the process, by impregnating Mary he fulfilled the prophecy.
Mary was chosen by god before her conception to be the vessel that brought the son of god into the world.
The story of the archangel Gabriel was quite specific….. Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with thee, blessed arte though amongst women and blessed arte the fruit of thy womb Jesus….. says it all
Mary being a perpetual virgin is untruths from the Catholic “church.” The Bible clearly states that Joseph “did not know her” until after Jesus was born, which means no sexual relationship until then. Mary was not sinless, because we are ALL born sinful. She even acknowledged that she needed Jesus to be her redeemer. She was only chosen by God to carry the Holy embryo. She had nothing to do with it, nor did Jesus ever put her on a pedestal, saying to make her anything more. She didn’t have any special powers, or she wouldn’t have needed to ask Jesus to perform His first miracle, turning water into wine. The “Hail Mary” is not Biblical, it was something the Catholics came up with, along with the rosary. We are all sinners, lost and going to hell without accepting Jesus as our personal Savior. No amount of works can earn salvation, it is only through the blood of Jesus Christ. Until we repent to Jesus, and ask Him to be Lord of our lives, we are headed for hell. Being a church member does not save anyone either. You can attend mass, drink the wine, but that is not what Jesus said is our salvation. It’s only a personal relationship with Him as your Saviour.
“Faith without good works is dead”
100 per cent right
I agree in some of what you su, however, the angel told Mary what had happen and she accepted. She is a big part of this salvation.
Very unlearned comments! Educate yourself by reading the books by someone who is fluent in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and Coptic Arabic; there are literally thousands of ancient writings about Jesus and his mother. Remember, they were Hebrew so they would have spoken Hebrew practiced Judaism and Possibly spoke Greek, given the area that they lived in. If you really want to know the truth and learn about these two very important historical people, (Jesus (God) The word made flesh) and the woman who bore him (Mary) whom by the way, Jesus did honor. Saying he did not honor his mother is blasphemous, because that would be saying that God would not follow his own commandment to honor your father and mother. You have many misjudgments and errors about the Bible, and the Catholic faith. I suggest you study up on it, with Dr. Brant Pitre. You must read the scriptures in light of each other. The Old Testament and the new Testement, through a Jewish lense. You can listen to free podcasts by Dr. Pitre, I suggest, Dr Brant Pitre Blows Your Mind on Mary. Or read, Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary. Or any of Dr Pitre’s books. If you do not have the ambition to learn and understand the Catholic Christian faith, it is ancient, and was started in the year 33 AD, Then please at least do God and your soul a favor, and stop spreading lies about us. Thank you
MATHEW ch 1 v 18 Joseph did NOT impregnate Mary…She was always a Virgin and with child by the Holy Spirit until Jesus was born. Read verses 20 to 25..”behold the Virgin shall be with child”…In fact Joseph initially thought Mary was pregnant due to another man until he was told by God otherwise
Mary was born of a man and woman however she was a virgin when she conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit she was blessed among women because she was chosen of God to carry Jesus in her womb and deliver to us the Savior of the world
Mary had more Children with Joseph. So therefore she is not a virgin. Use common sense. She should not be an idol to worship. No one or no idol should. BE worshiped. Only God and Jesus.
Amen
When you say the Hail Mary all you are doing is asking Her to pray for us to her Son.
The early KJV editions take great license in rendering the source language into English. A great deal of effort was expelled to use, what was even at that time, archaic English to give the text an air of antiquity. One will also find that is describes a Biblical world that is strangely populated with European fauna and flora, Indo-European folkloric figures, and people who, quite conveniently, have a rather British way of expressing themselves. Though it was produced with some rough scholarship, it is also a tremendous work of Renaissance propaganda which is readily unmasked by making even a cursory study of the source texts in their original languages.
I can’t believe that you could actually say that the KJV & the NKJV is the same except for the words thy, thee and so on. There are verses completely taken out. Please revise this false statement.
We does everybody argue about God and Jesus when Nobody really nows.we will all no one day..When GOD Almighty will JUDGE us ALL simply as…
Are you saying the Deuterocanonical books are blasphemous or their removal?
I am equally confused about which Bible should I trust KJV or the Catholic Bible and why did the translators of the bible remove some books from the Bible? Example The book of Enoch, 6th and 7th Deuteronomy? etc
What keeps tripping me up is that King James had a bunch of people who really couldn’t read, act as writers. You would think the logical step would be to hire someone who spoke Hebrew to help Translate. I understand that there are some definite great similarities of love and trust and understanding and doing as much as you can to show God that you love and appreciate him. But you have to admit a lot of the things are just crazy in some of of the written scripts.
And a lot of the changes and the different dates that things have gotten Revisited online blind. People are not that stupid that we need that many revisions. It begs the question that some people have taken something pure and twisted it into evil ways.Ive been studying theology as a hobby for a couple years now and I’d love to speak with others about their thoughts. Btw I am a believer. I’ve been on a spiritual journey for gosh 7 years. Would love to hear others experiences
You can tell it would be blasphemes
to you. Your bias reads throughout your article. The Catholic Church was responsible for culminating the facts and lessons of The Bible and all that came later tore it apart and turned it into a buffet line. I have all the respect of my Protestant brothers and sisters and I’m so glad they have their version of the Bible but please don’t negate our long time efforts to bring
G the Bible to light.
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Robert Heath, has anyone sent you a Bible yet? I am just an individual who found this website tonight, as part of a personal study. I see your post at the bottom of the page. I would like to send you one, if you don’t have one yet. Let me know, at scschicksr@gmail.com
Blessings.
Hello stephen,Im trying to get kjv 1611 Bible can you please help. god bless craig taylor
You can download the 1611 KJV free from the internet. I found it on Google’s Play Store & have it on my phone. The version we have in KJV bibles we see today is from a 1769 revision. So the 1611 looks lots different than the one we are used to seeing.
@Kim 20dec17: Your appeal to study is admirable: however you do not seem to have got as far as you might. There are a large number of false assertions in what you write – just to take a trivial one, you say, ‘The word “Jew” not come into existence until the year 1775 A.D.’ – but actually it is based on the Old English Iudeas, and in modern English the word is found from around 1275 on in forms such as Gyv, Iuu, Iew, &c. (It stems from the Latin Iudeaus, corresponding to Hebrew y’hudah, and referring originally to a Hebrew of the kingdom of Judeah.)
More generally, the King James’ translators included many scholars of ancient languages, including Latin and Hebrew – but also of Greek, which is, of course, the language of the New Testament, although you seem unaware of this. (And Jamestown was founded by a joint stock company, not by King James, and initially did not involve slavery – again, you need to study history more closely.). I suggest you start with my post of October 16th, which you will find at the end of the comments, for some reason, and then:
On the King James version, cf Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version#Translation_committees
On translations generally cf Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations#Reformation_and_Early_Modern_period
Wikipedia does not qualify as A credible source. If you ever need know that. Wikipedia is just Wikipedia it is not a credible or reliable source of information nor doesn’t constitute an appropriate source of information for any type of research document. Just check your MLA or ADA writing templates and instructions.
Wikipedia is a valid source that has been proven to be more reliable than “reputable” sources. Please stop spreading your boomer ignorance since it’s clear that you can barely manage to check your email and post nonsense on this site.
I’m looking into getting a Bible. I was baptized Catholic. I’ve never been a church goer. But now in my 60s I would to start. I’m confused on which bible to get. Thank you for any help.
June
Hi June,
So glad to hear of your interest. Best place to go? Your nearest Catholic Church. Ask to speak with someone who is in charge of their Adult Faith programs (RCIA) and they will gladly help you in obtain a Catholic Bible. I’d highly recommend asking for information on RCIA as well while you are there. RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation of Adult) is for everyone who is curious to know more about the Catholic faith (confirmed Catholics included) and really help to better understand the complexities and beauty of Catholism. God Bless you on your journey and welcome home!
Disagree here watch King James bible vs other versions
Disagree here also
1. Get yourself a King James Bible and read it yourself.
2. As you read, ask the Holy Spirit in prayer to teach you; that is His job.
3. 1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
4. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Amen. I’ve never heard so much arguing or differences on religion in my life. Born & raised Catholic. Noticed a few months ago I had a KJV & I got on this site just to find out the difference. Wondering if there were big differences.
Be careful about any Bible prepared by those with a doctrinal axe to grind, like the Catholics, the Calvinists, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Their Bibles are stilted towards their doctrinal beliefs, (and you can’t tell which are true by reading them.)
The KJV will not steer you wrong. It contains information the others don’t and tells you when they are adding words for clarity, (the italics.) The Thee/Thou, and You/Ye are there for a reason, as well as the “eths” suffix endings, (which stand for a Greek verb tense that English doesn’t have.)
It’s EXTREMELY accurate, and has stood the test of time, (and contrary to the OP, has not been revised at all, but merely updated with modern spelling – the last time in 1769.)
And please start your Bible reading in the third chapter of John, where Jesus tells the life-long Catholic Priest that unless he is Born Again, he cannot see or enter the Kingdom of Heaven. (Which is a strange thing to say, if he’s already a Priest.)
Jesus would like to save you, all by Himself. (If you add to Jesus, you make Him less.) If you say you need to do something to save yourself, then YOU are your savior.
“But to him that worketh not, but trusteth in Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
That means instead of trying to make yourself good enough for God, (good luck with that, BTW,) you simply repent of that and accept Jesus instead. A one for one.
And let Him have the honor of saving you, all by Himself.
How is Jesus talking to a Catholic priest in John chapter 3 if the Catholic Church was not established until after His death? What in John 3 says that?
He speaks with a rabbi not a priest.
Not sure what version you got that info from but in all the bibles i have read it says jesus turns and says “rabbi” which is clearly not a catholic priest.
Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus, a pharisee, a religious person, might as well have been a priest
Rabbi is a Jewish term for teacher. Not a catholic priest. Catholics are Christians not Jews.
How can a Catholic be a Christian when the Catholic Church DECLARS the pope as the VICAR (substitute) of Christ and enjoys all the benefits that christ IS. That’s blasphemy and heresy and a scam.
That sir, is made up crap.
Just sayin.
I think it’s quite easy to realize and understand why he borrowed the title Catholic priest to refer to Nicodemus. Catholic priests are, by their beliefs and extra-biblical doctrines, holier and more righteous than Christ Himself. They are the first that truly need the second birth.
To say that anyone is holier than Jesus is pure blasphemy because Jesus is the Son of God.
Try learning about the faith before making such statements.
Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if anyone even knew the truth. Catholics are not Christians – Christians are not Catholics. Thank you for your response which was put together very well, enough for a small child to understand.
I’m glad Tina, you are sitting on the seat of judgement.
Wrong..Catholics were the first Christians we wrote the Bible. We have been around for 2000 years. Peter ( which means Rock) is who Jesus built His Church upon. It’s all in the Bible and thats the truth
By the way Peter was the first Pope.
Oh dear, someone is brainwashed. The fall of Rome, yes. Let’s just give those Christian people a chance and go down easy. Oops! We crucified Peter upside down at his request for spreading the Gospel! We better look good for all to see! Religion and Politics don’t mix. Let’s do religion our way! Try to cover up the hundreds of thousands that we fed to the lions! God will speak to your hearts. His sheep know his voice. Read John 3. And pray where you are. God hears you.
As a Catholic, you’re free to believe the falsehoods as long as you live. Who set up the Catholic Church of which Peter was the first Pope? Did Peter institute the paying of homage to idols or the worshipping of ‘Virgin’ Mary who ceased to be a virgin following the birth of Jesus’ biological brothers – James, Joseph, Simon and Jude?
Sometimes I begin to wonder with the way most of us so Christians condem ourselves, that isn’t the way we were taught. the Catholic Church has always received backlash from proterstant Christians which doesn’t truly make sense to me if you always codenming people you are no christian. You always talk about the things you feel aren’t right about the Catholic Church without talking about the right things they have done. You won’t say the Catholic Church have nothing good to show? After several years of existence the church still stands that’s to tell you the church has been a rock for decades. There are some things that might look doubtful or might be so hard for you to understand we are human beings but not perfect. It’s quite ok if you don’t understand why the Catholic Church believe in what they believe no one is forcing anybody. But it will be evil if you constantly Judge them.
I have been to other Protestant churches they believe in so many different things I left the Catholic Church to search for truth I wanted to know more but guess what I wasn’t feeling a thing they constantly tell you that you are saved just confess that Jesus is Lord and he is saving you I hear the way they talk and most of the time I go to their services feeling empty no spiritual growth. Most of their pastors are good motivational speakers they can teach how to grow business and how to be a boss and take charge and most of them condem too. I was at a service in a Protestant church and the pastor was telling the people to go touch a wooden cross with faith not a crucifix just a cross, this isn’t just a church a known church, I was like wow you guys do what you condem. When I started going for Sunday masses making my own research I found peace in the Catholic Church. I have come to understand that the Catholic Church is full of love she will teach you how to love and value little things she will make you understand the love of God. She will teach you humulity not arrogancy. When you want to condem a thing make a personal research not just what you are told. Most of the people condeming the Catholic doesn’t know how the mass is like, they don’t know a thing about the church. Search for the truth with love not hate. It was the Catholic Church that practised the bread and wine before other churches joined in first they doubted and now they believ. The Catholic Church talk about the holy Trinity now others are believing and now start their prayers with the sign of the cross without actually doing the signs. Then for the part of the Virgin Mary they will understand someday maybe not too soon but they will. The Catholic Church doesn’t need to be angry at the backlash because it’s only an empty drum that sounds the loudest. Somebody asked a question about the type of Bible to use, one responded by saying go and get the Catholic biblie and attend RCIA while another said study the Bible and it’s the Job of the holy Spirit to teach you. It’s so funny the holy spirit is great and holy. Even st Paul said remember the traditions and ordinances that we teach. You won’t say that isn’t in the bible. Learning from people that are higher than you combining it with the holy spirit is the fast way to get answers . If I was a Protestant I would never judge the Catholics salvation is personal. And I love you all. But it’s so annoying when you say Catholics aren’t Christians it’s unfair because Catholics won’t say those things to you.
Actually,Peter means small pebble. Jesus is The Rock upon which the church is iilt. He is the foundation.
When Jesus said “on this rock, I will establish my church” he was referring to himself as the chief conerstone of the church, not Peter. But, Catholics always give Peter special honors as if Peter had a superior holiness. Peter was jacked up just like each of us, but God used him anyway. Why do they call themselves Catholics instead of just Christian? This issue with exalting Peter (idol) is one of the reasons, along with requiring ppl to pay an indulgence to get a relative out of purgatory, that Martin Luther protested against Catholicism with writing Disputation on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences (The 95 Thesis). Catholicism is more focused on teaching and upholding its religious traditions as opposed to encouraging its congregants to develop a real relationship with Christ that is personal and knowledge based. In other words, Catholics are to the church what the Pharisees were to the Temple! Please find a strong bible teaching, teaching ministry that focuses on teaching the exegetical word of God, so that you grow in the knowledge of Jesus Christ instead of a church’s doctrine.
In latin Catholic means one united Christian church so technically Catholic is Christian just a latin term for it
In regards to Peter being the Rock there are two words used one being
Petra and the other being Petros. One meaning a pebble and the other a huge boulder. It cannot refer to Peter in any way because it is also written “My Rock is my God.” Peter is not the creator … When you consider that the Lord said (paraphrase) not the smallest part of my word will fail but heaven and earth shall pass away and “Let God be true but every man a liar” shall we trust men or fall upon our knees before the living God and humbly ask for his forgiveness and salvation. For as many as call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
You are eminently correct.
Just go straight to the source.
One the contrary. The Catholic fairh is Christian. If Catholicism is not Christian, then why is the King James Bible a TRANSLATION of the Catholic Bible?
READ THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD CATHOLIC.
ALL ENCOMPASSING
Tina,
Because the Catholic Bible was the only biblical text at the time that was of any use to the King James Bible scholars. They knew neither New Testament Koine Greek or Old Testament Hebrew, but they could translate the Catholic Bible’s Latin Vulgate version text into Middle English.
Anyone who believes in Jesus CHRIST is a Christian. Therefore, Catholics are Christ ians, as they believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Don’t get it twisted. Your statement is just ignorant. Ignorance is a lack of true knowledge. Educate yourself.
This statement is 100% false. The word “Christian” is only mentioNed 3 seperate times in the bible. It’s never mentioned as a religious sect, like man has perverted it into being. The world Christian simply means that one does and obeys all the teachings of Christ.
Catholics by definition are not Christians.
Christ said “let no man change a jot or a tittle from the law until heaven and earth sease to exsist”. Yet Catholics claim they were given authority to change the 10 commandments. They even falsely declare that gods holy sanctified Sabbath day has been changed to Sunday (the pagan first day of the week).
We know the Sabbath will never be changed from its original date because God prophesied in the old testament book of Daniel, while talking about the end times on earth, that the beast will change his days and laws. Which is exactly what the Catholic church did in the year 323 under pagan Roman emperor Constantine. God even declared his Sabbath day to be “perpetual”, which literally means “never ending, never changing”, yet Catholics still think they can change it.
Catholics are the opposite of Christians, because they don’t believe in everything Yeshua taught, they believe his laws and commands weren’t good enough and needed changed. Yet God told us in the book of Daniel, that whoever changed his laws would be doing it under the authority of the beast. Hardly christian.
Maybe Yeshua was an idiot and his views were very strange.
The Catholic Church is the one true Church of Christ. It was the first and all others are separated from it. Do your work before making false claims. If there had not been a Catholic Church then Martin Luther could not have created he’s 9 thesis’s which he then nailed to The Doors Of Catholic Church’s before he started his off shoot from the One True Church Of Christ.
You know a lot of people love to speak without the truth of the knowledge. The old testament was written because that was the law the our creator has put upon us, but the new testament is where jesus Christ our savior the creators only son has be cruxified for us and he came to change some of the laws of the old testament. Why did Jesus with the creators permission permit for jesus to change the 10 commandment to save his children that he love a lot because he knew that with the devil roaming around not everyone was able to keep all ten commandments. So God said that out of the ten, the two most important one would be to love him of all things and to love everyone else as we love ourself, which in a way does apply to the commandments because if you love thy neighbor, you won’t kill, lie, steal, deceive, betray, envied or abandon them in their needs. That is in the bible that Jesus himself changed the commandments, not the catholics. Plus it doesn’t matter what day of the week; we have the Sabbath day, as long as you take the 6 days to work and to go visit the sick, the prisoners, do charity work, feed the poor, volunteer to thoes that need of our assistance and doing your Rosary prayers every day for world peace, inner strength for the tribulation that we about to indure and to save the souls in the purgatory. You can take the 7 day to go to church to praise the lord, read the bible and keep it holy by not doing other things, but dedicating it to the Lord. All this is the bible, but a lot of people don’t read it. Just search( who changed the commandments and make sure to put catholic bible because the protestant bible don’t have all the books because Martin Luther the Antichrist removed them so that everyone could stay away from the real church that Christ established. 2 Juan 1:9-11 states Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Mark 3:24-26
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.
See God wants just one church and everyone united, not separated.
Galatians 1:6-13
6e I am amazed that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you* by [the] grace [of Christ] for a different gospel7(not that there is another). But there are some who are disturbing you and wish to pervert the gospel of Christ.8f But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach [to you] a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!*9As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!
10g Am I now currying favor with human beings or God? Or am I seeking to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a slave of Christ.*
His Call by Christ.11h Now I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel preached by me is not of human origin.12For I did not receive it from a human being, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.*
13* For you heard of my former way of life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it,
Here the Lord is telling all of you that there is only one church which he establish 2000 years ago the Roman Catholic and he is offended that you allowed for others to decive you to go to false churches.
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the Gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Peter was the first pope of the Roman Catholic the church that Jesus Christ established and said you must go and attend to it. Plus Peter is the only one that can get you to heaven, so no other churches can. Satan separated the church and by using this poor people to blind everyone, so that they don’t attend God’s true church. One God, One church and one teaching. People need to start reading the bible and if I was ya I would start with revelations from beginning to end because what’s coming to the human race that don’t follow Gods command is very horrifying. There’s not a worst blind person that doesn’t want to see the truth when is smack right in there faces. God bless!!!
Do you know about the Schism?
Some of what you have said here is not what all Catholics are taught. Why has noone mention the creeds here nicene and apostolic—to state instead of going off on teaching tangents that aren’t precisely correct—-there is a obviously huge discrepancy in qualifications to give facts for all sides of this commentary
Jesus fulfilled the law. When he rose from the dead, all changed from the physical to the spiritual. Praise God! If that were not truth, we would still have to sacrifice animals to be forgiven. Our Lord scrificed his perfect blood. Those of us that have have his spirit in our hearts also have the beautiful gift of grace. No one can stop sinning. Our flesh is sin. God sees only our hearts. Knock and the door shall be opened. Seek and ye shall find. The Holy Spirit will bring all truth. Read! It’s an exciting and spiritual journey that won’t end. Love and light through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Interesting. If Peter is who you say he is,then why did Christ call him Satan? Also, why did Peter refuse to let others bow before him and worship him? Seems that would be quite appropriate if he were “the vicar of Christ” LOL
Here’s something for all Christians to think about. Jews and Muslims consider Christians idolaters because they made a man into a god. It appears Christians have changed the first two commandments.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!The 10 Commandments are God’s Word. Isn’t it amazing how it’s been translated to man’s liking as apposed to the truth. Beware of those who have changed God’s laws! And have chosen to believe in man’s version. Pray for the truth and it will be known to you by God’s Word.
Catholics are the first Christians. They are called Catholics by St Ignatius of Antioch to describe the universality of their mission.
Acts 11:26 …And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Colossians2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men… If you can only find the reason that you are doing something in religious sect literature, you might be following a tradition started by a man or men that want to control others. How many times have I heard that if one commits suicide they are going to hell? Humans have weaknesses but if you let Jesus into your heart, He will never leave you or forsake you. I Timothy2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. Do you talk to God through Jesus Christ? If not you are following a tradition of men. God bless you all as you seek the Truth. John14:6 Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the light…No man cometh unto the Father but by me. May Jesus Christ be praised…Not man’s traditions.
Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ is a Christian regardless of what faith you claim to be. Some may be misguided nevertheless still a Christian. Atheists are not Christians. Agnostics are not also. Please bear this in mind.
NCantu ORDM
Not everyone the believes in Jesus is a Christian. The bible is very specific about this, it says that even the demons believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Does that make them Christian?
It is only those that confess with their mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in their heart that he has saved them. Repenting of their sin and turning from there wicked ways.
It is the change of heart that God looks upon and recognizes a person as his child, a ” christian”.
Belief without change is just religion.
Do you even know what the word Catholic means? It means, universal. You should research more before you post things like “Catholics are not Christians and Christians are not Catholic.” The fact is that Christianity is Catholic, it is indeed universal, it is inclusive, and it is broad. In essence all Christians are Catholic. All denominations of Christianity derrive from the mother church.
Catholicism is different as it is idolatry to Mother Mary and he Pope, Christianity does not idol anyone but Christ.
We revere Mother Mary not idolize her.
Sound like you were brainwashed by anti-Catholics
Incorrect all Catholicsare Christians but not all Christians are Catholics
Many Catholics are Christians more than those who claim they are Christian’s. It’s about being the sheep. If want to go to heaven, be the sheep, one who follows jesùs without the statues and follow his command
Where are you getting your information from??
Catholics are indeed Christians. Jesus is the One Who established the Catholic Church. Catholic means universal. Matthew 28:20,
“19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
I was trying to figure out which Bible was right for me. I was raised Southern Baptist & always thought KJV was the right version. Our new young pastor says any are good, but I have noticed the meaning is changed with the wording.
Thank you for helping me to realize KJV
the right bible
Amen!
Yes. My Pastor taught us that the King James Version is the best way and that we should pray as well as read. He feels that it is fine to use other versions to compare but the base of our reading for our growth should he be the King James Version. Now mind you I’m no scholar but I found over the years that it becomes easier for me if I read the Bible with prayer first. (The letter killeth but the Spirit maketh alive) I can’t even remember where that scripture is. I just know that it is. So as just a regular person I recommend the original King James Version. Using other versions to help you study or for clarification. Best wishes
First of all you say that he was catholic. Not true he was a pharisees. Second of all did you read john 3:15 and john 3:18 . Why do people constantly pick on the Catholic church when we follow what Jesus taught us to the best of our ability. Both verses state ” we are saved if we believe in Jesus Christ as our Saviour. If you are a follower of Jesus, why is it that , you say some people are saved that believe in Jesus and try to follow His teachings and others aren’t who also follow Jesus and His teachings. If you Truly believe Jesus is Lord and try to follow His teachings to the best of your ability, you are saved… Also Luke 9:49-50. We are all followers of the same Christ Jesus
Jesus said “anyone that changes even the least commandment of my father’s, is a liar, and the truth is not on them, and in that day I will say get away from me, I never knew you man of lawlessness”.
Catholics changed gods 7th day Sabbath to the 1st day, not a smart move.
Do Catholics not read scripture? God commanded that his Sabbath remain “perpetual” for all of eternity. This means “never ending, never changing”, yet Catholics seriously thought they had authority to change something that our creator commanded to NEVER BE CHANGED? IT’S SERUOUSLY LAUGHABLE.
I have wondered about the 7th day and what was the name of the seventh day when God ended all of his creation ? Did not the Jewish calendar read from right to left? What if we today would read from right to left, what would be the seventh day then? Sunday ?
Are you a born again? Cause what you are saying is self opinionated , prejudice and stupid, I would not trust a born again they are all sckers.
It’s not laughable it’s very sad I believe a lot of Catholics are saved I also believe a lot of Catholics are not aware off these changes I recently found out about the changes that Catholics Pope’s and people in authority over the church made and it blew my mind but we are not here to judge we are here to teach the way you’re coming out these people if it were me I would be mad at the way you’re coming at me and just shrug you off rather than if you came at me nicely with knowledge I would want to investigate a little more luckily I already came to this conclusion not too long ago but I do know I’m not the one that judge Only God can judge you don’t know who’s going to happen in who’s going out regardless of their beliefs that’s up to God but what you can do is help spread the correct knowledge to the best of your ability God bless everybody
Catholics renamed the seventh day, God’s day, Domenica , Dimanche, Domingo, Duminica
Pagans call it Sunday, Sonntag , Sondag etc.
The calendar has changed so much, we don’t know if Sunday is a Sunday or Saturday is the day of the Sabbath.
And please pray to God, and not to Jesus. We should always pray to God even if we believe in the holy Trinity.
So, when do you go to mass?
If you do your history the calendar has changed multiple times. A Jewish calendar of today or a Georgian calendar will not ever match to the oldest ones found. As for changing day of the week of the Sabbath you must also remember the Bible says every day is to be treated as the sabbath. We truly don’t know what day was the sabbath because before the calendar was formed the stars were the calendar. You truly need to read more. As for Catholics idolizing Mary I partly agree but only because that is what I was taught. But I don’t believe they should have statues of her. To me praying to Mary is wrong because no man comes to the Father except through Christ. And I think confession is weird too because to me it is almost going backwards where sacrifices were given and the priest of the old testament did the prayers and asked for God to forgive his people. I wasn’t raised Catholic but I believe if any person claims the birth death and resurrection of Christ for their sins they are Christians. I dont care what day they worship on Or what Bible they use or if they attend Church of some type or not. John 3:16 is my reasoning for that. And the law of the old testament was fulfilled by Christ so if the 10 commandments were changed then why and what? You have shown no evidence of such. And I have never been taught that and have attended several different Faith’s. So please give clear things words and meanings change and words are removed from dictionaries or added all the time so updated to help people understand not to remove anything.
Answer these two questions . .What are you depending on to get to heaven? How does it help you?
amen
Amen to that! If one follows the teachings of Christ Jesus and is trusting in Him for the forgiveness of sins, you are a “Christian”, redeemed, born again, saved…
The are two points in seperate posts that need to be addressed: first-All Catholics are Christians while not all Christians are Catholic. Catholicism (Roman & Othodox) are merely different ‘flavors’ of Christianity as are the mainstream Protestants (Baptists, Lutheran, etc).
As far as slanted translations of the bible look no further than the previously mentioned New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures published by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (AKA Jehovah’s Witnesses). All one needs to look at is John 1:1 (as a start).
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Jesus telling the future ” first Pope” in an unbroken chain of “representatives” of CHRIST on earth for when he departs earth. No church other than the Holy Roman Catholic church has this or ever will. In the beginning was the Catholic (universal church). Then it put together HOLY SCRIPTURES. The “reformation” was a “protest” of this ancient FIRST christian church. Protest-ant came out of this. With all its reasons and excuses it does NOT TOUCH Christ. I want to be part of the ORIGINAL CHRISTIANS WITH their teachings (traditions) and original writtings. All churches after reformation are “sprouts” from the original church which Christ himself gave the “keys” to St Peter.. .and so the ENEMY began to separate people from the ORIGINAL/ FIRST ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH founded BY CHRIST passed on to Peter. P.s. An unbroken chain of Popes touching CHRIST to this day. Christ is perfect and his church isnt but the Holy Spirit guides it till the end of time as he promised. God Bless all reading this.
Peter was a devout Jew. Catholics despise jews and reject their teachings and traditions. That’s how we know Peter was never the first Pope. Catholics changed gods holy perpetual (never ending, never changing) Sabbath day, that’s how we know your a false prophet! God said in the book of Daniel, when talking about the end times, “the beast will think to change my times and my laws”.
False prophet Catholics changed gods times ( 7th day Sabbath for 1st day sabbath) and holy feast days (instead of Passover, they honor manmade pagan Easter and christmas). Hint: no-one in the bible even honored birthdays because it was rooted in sorcery and astrology. Wake up
I get the impression that perpetual in this context is kind of beyond days of the week. It’s endless and changeless in essence.
It’s spiritual rather than material. Like scripture should be.
Plus with the changing of calendars through the ages, day names would have been moved around, so would god just like the name Friday, or would it be a actual day marked but now lost, or is it just arbitrary!?
Sabbath [N] [E] [S]
The origin of the Hebrew sabbat [t’B;v] is uncertain, but it seems to have derived from the verb sabat, meaning to stop, to cease, or to keep. Its theological meaning is rooted in God’s rest following the six days of creation ( Gen 2:2-3 ). The Greek noun sabbat [savbbaton] translates the Hebrew noun sabbat [t’B;v]. The noun form is used primarily to denote the seventh day of the week, though it may occasionally refer to the Sabbath week ( Lev 23:15-16 ) at the end of every seven Sabbaths or fifty days, or the Sabbath year ( Lev 25:1-7 ) in which the land was to be at complete rest.
Then Enemy has taken up residence in your heart. Through hatred you have opened a door to Satan and he has confused and perverted your faith – as is his want.
You can only remove Satan’s influence upon you by cleansing yourself of hatred with the water of God’s pure love. Remember God loves all of his creation – without exception. Every single person. Even those that YOU consider to be unworthy, wicked or evil – God LOVES them.
When you can rid yourself of your judgmental urges, and sincerely love all people without measuring their worth by your standards, you will become once again as pure as the day of your birth. Only then will you be ready to receive God’s complete and eternal embrace of love. Until that time, your relationship withe God will suffer and Satan will continue to push you away from God’s love.
These are not words from Satan’s “Bible” – which all of you are arguing about. (Think about it, would “Holy” words cause so much dissension, anger, hatred, and vitriol amongst people? Would not God’s true message be obvious and overwhelming and indisputable?). Why do all of you believe the “Old Testament” is relevant when Jesus is reported to have said that he was the fulfillment of the law and that there was now a NEW law, a NEW (and ONLY) commandment based in love of God and each other? Why do you speak of Daniel, or Melchizedek, or Solomon? They are of the ancients, not of the new era of Christ and the fulfillment of God’s love.
Don’t be fooled. The “Word” has been tainted with pollution by the Enemy, using weak human beings to accomplish his greatest deceit. Example: Paul was NEVER an Apostle of Christ (only he, himself, proclaimed himself to be an Apostle). Christ did not choose Paul to follow him while He walked the Earth. Yet all of you so called Christians worship the words of Paul as the true word of God.
Don’t just believe what I have said. Pray for true revelation and discernment. God will answer…and enlighten you.
Reject Satan and LOVE GOD!
I am the way the truth and the life. If we both believe these words in the Bible we we know the Christ was the anointed one and Jesus appeared to Saul and became a chosen vessel of Christ to take the word t o all that would believe. Christ is no respector of persons. ( read acts 9. Paul did not self proclaim. Christ by the Holy Spirit announced Saul/ Paul to the gentiles and the to the Jews.)
Satan is so smart. What better way to cause hate than to use different churches and doctrines? Judgement is not our job. Remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the sliver from someone else’s. Light and love from our Lord Jesus Christ.
I am a Catholic and have been all my life. I do not hate Jews. My Church, my Catholic faith does not hate Jews.
Where on earth do you come up with what “we believe”? I’ve never hated any religion…..that’s not who we are! Hate should not be in any religion’s dictionary! For some reason I get the distinct impression that you might hate us??? You’ve certainly gotten your facts about Catholics incorrect!
Any by the way, we don’t idolize statues. I don’t idolize the Pope….I only hold up my Lord, Jesus Christ as my Savior. It’s only HE that I believe!
I would be the one saying all that if you hadn’t. I’ve always been Catholic and I don’t hate Jews.
In fact I don’t hate any Christian religion, I only include them in my prayers, always.
“Upon this rock I will build….”, is referring to Himself as the Chief conerstone of the institution that will be called the church. Catholic doctrine teaches this, but it is a self-serving error. If you read the “whole” bible and not select certain passages, you’d know that God switched from addressing Peter, to talking about Himself. Why do you think Martin Luther had such problems with the Catholic Church and what it taught, like indulgences and purgatory. Get out of religion and find you a strong teaching ministry focused on teaching the exegetical word of God only!
“Woe unto any man who preaches any other Gospel than Jesus Christ and him crucified! I have read many Christian testimonies about lives changed when people came to Jesus/Yeshua but only one by a Catholic priest … He left the church.
Amen!!
Good evening.
Your post was very informative except for the accuracy of John and in the third chapter about Nicodemus going to Jesus. There was no Catholics then. They came about way after Christ. Just an FYI.
ITS ALL ABOUT JESUS CHRIST. I PRAY HEARTS ARE CHANGED AND EYES ANS EARS OPEN TO HIS TRUTH!
Peter was the first poop he was the successor to Christ he still is Christ on earth. If you read the Bible you would know that because Jesus said that our theater and upon this rock I will build my church.
Jesus is the rock.
That’s right. If it were possible to “save yourself” you wouldn’t need Jesus or the Word of God.
John 1 – King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus is the Word. Amazing.
Laura
Yes, it is amazing, Laura. And quite wonderful!
Yes right on it. Thank you!. People need ro hear the truth.
Born agains give other Christians a bad name. They listen to CDs of teachings not realizing they are keeping some fraudster rich who is reading a verse from a KJV.
How would you know the KJV is true , typical protestant reaction .
Thank God for your post
The term “good luck” denotes asking for favor by the God of luck mentioned in the Bible. The God of Luck is actually Satan himself. So those who would ask for “LUCK” or chance would not be relying on God. God says to throw your burdens on him.
How could Jesus tell a Catholic priest anything, when Catholicism didn’t exist yet?
jesus once warned his disciplines about the false teacher… as he [jesus] said: no one is sent after him.. jesus appointed peter, maybe for people not to be fooled by this false teacher. ultimately, there is only one chruch of christ jesus, the one he entrusted to peter.
I didn’t waste my time reading all of your statement. When anyone starts out stating how great the KJV is, like there’s no other bible any better…there’s a problem! ALL BIBLES ARE TRANSLATED!!! Catholic came long before KJV! I use NIV, because I do not speak “thee,thou,thy,etc. There are, I believe, 37 passages, slightly left out of NIV, yet, again that’s depending on our translation. People like you need to step back and learn a bit more before running the mouth! It is supposed to all be about God! Don’t slam other people’s beliefs! If an opinion is asked for and you feel inclined to give one, do it! But it is only an opinion. Just as the Bible is…an opinion! God DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLES! I was raised Catholic. I am Methodist. I read/use NIV. I’m not an idiot. I know if something is missing is wordage I refer elsewhere to get all info I need. But KJV is just that!…A VERSION!!! People wrote what King James told them to! He was not God! He was a person! He had an opinion and gave it and happened to have the power to get a book written…which by the way left out several books for the Bible! Know your history before running your mouth and bullying people…
WOW! Talk about an axe to grind! So many untruths in your statement.
J.R., I’ll take the Catholic Bible, since it was the FIRST.
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If you were baptized Catholic, then you are on the right track. If you want the truth I would recommend the Jerusalem Bible. But don’t take my word for.Catholicism which means universal is 2000 years old started by Jesus Himself. Simon Peter (Peter, which means Rock) was our first Pope. Just do your research and decide for yourself.
Where may I find the Jerusalem Bible?
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Check out a Christian Book store, or a Barnes&Noble Book store. Or try Amazon.
Based on the findings of the Dead See Scrolls, the King James Version is the one that matched most accurately…99% accuracy. A few differences were in punctuation. For example when Jesus said to the thief on the cross, “I tell you, today You shall be with Me in Paradise.” It should read, “I tell you today, “You shall be with Me in paradise.” Jesus did not go to paradise that day. He went to the grave. On the third day, He rose and stayed on earth for 40 days before ascending. The Catholic Bible was written later, and the Ten Commandments were changed by the Catholic church. Most specifically, they subtracted the 2nd commandment about not making any graven images, moved the 4th commandment and made it tbe 3rd, changing it from 89 words on keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy to 8 words on keeping the Lords day holy and claiming that it was the 1st days of the week. They openly admit changing the day themselves. Nowhere in the Bible can Sunday be found. Constantine changed it so that the pagans would join the Catholic church because they worshipped the pagan sun god. This Sunday worship is actually a counterfeit of the true Seventh day Sabbath. There are many other versions that have not made changes that actually change the meanings, such as the New King James Version, the New American Standard Version and others that I am not as much familiar with. I hope this helps and if you ask God for truth He will give it to you. Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no man comes to the Father but by Me.” He is the only one who paid the price for our sins by Shedding His innocent blood for us. He is the only One who has earned the right to forgive sins. Anyone else claiming that right is lying. They crucified Jesus because He said He was God and He forgave sins, calling it blasphemy. Except Jesus really was and still is the true God according to the Bible that hasn’t been changed.
I have had the same discussion with family and church members about Sunday sabbath and was told I should be Jewish. Not so,God gave Saturday as His day and all peoples day of rest in Genesis.There was no Jews at that time
I think it’s time we went back to the truth Study The Revelation yourself open your heart and mind,the answers are there but a lot of churches don’t seem to want to open up this part of the blble.
The KJV is a good translation. But other versions are also helpful. I agree with Chris Hughes (July 22 2018). “We are saved if we believe in Jesus Christ ad our Savior.” PERIOD. The law was not given to save us BUT to simply point us to the Savior (a sign post). Now that the Savior has come, we are no longer under the law BUT under Christ. To Him we cannot add law-keeping (Sabbath or not committing any evil! If we think we can) or any good behavior. Christians live by faith, i. e., that Christ is fashioning us according to His good purpose (Philippians 2:12-13). So Him alone enables us to be loving, not judgmental, tolerant, not offending anyone-Jew, or Gentile. An impossible life to live BUT possible only thru faith in Christ. A worshipful life and of good service to fellow humanity like the Good Samaritan. A true child of God.
Jerry, did you know that the KJV was translated from the Catholic Bible? Don’t take my word for it , look it up.
The parallel bible
It has king james,new living translation i believe
NIV NEW INTERNARION VERSION and another.Start reading at the Gospel of st john.Read slow one verse at a time and ask Jesus to open the eyes of your understandig and give thanks for every new thing you see and learn about Jesus.Read only a few verses or a verse a day.This is the bread you pray about in the our Father( The Lords prayer). Think on that verse till you know it by heart.Jesus was God but also a Jew of the tribe of Judah his own people .God loves you! I know this will help you
Kjv is your best bet anymore unless you have problems reading old language then nkjv i read a douay rheims edited rememberance edition but that is only because it is the only one i could get in my area.
Try reading the GUI range version of the Roman catholic Bible is going to be your best bet for getting the true word of God and his Divine Son Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
I love the KJV
I would warn you to stay away from the pagan church (rcc). run dont walk and find a church that preaches the gospel not traditions of men.
umm have you read: 1 Cor 11:2, or perhaps 2 Thess 2:15, 2Thess 3:6, Jn 21:25, Acts 20:35, 2 Tim 2:20?
Or are you one that holds true the “Sinner’s Prayer” TRADITION, which is not BIBLICAL… Just sayin’ 😉
KJV forever.
Douay-Rheims Holy Bible!! Buy on amazon. Father Haydock commentary to each passage is invaluable for study purposes as well. It’s old English… it feels like your reading an old text which I find beautiful.
Hello June. I know this post is old but I came across this and felt compelled to answer. Please get yourself a King James Version of the bible. Not the NKJV, as that has also been compromised. You see, the devil likes to pervert and distort God’s word. That’s why all these false bible translations keep coming out. You came from Catholicism. I strongly urge you to avoid going back as it is a false “Christian” religion. Most of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church go against the Word of God. They preach a works based salvation which is against the Word of God. Catholics that I know are very sincere and good, and they believe what the church teaches is true. I truly pray that God will reveal the truth to them so they can come out of her.
King James watch on youtube a vid called King James vs other versions.
Not only your saviour, ………
I am 67 and since retirement, I have sought to purchase the closest Holy Bible to the Truth, the Douay-Rheims is translated from the Vulgate which St Jerome translated over 30 years. God bless
Good and right decision
A study bible is great . tons of explanations and side notes.
June, the bible that is used by Catholics is The New American Bible. The bible is also online. Search online Catholic Bible. Another wonderful source is the website Catholic Online Saints. I believe the Catholic bible is on that website as well. You could probably buy a bible through that site. I wish you well.
Please get the St. Jerome version
Try the Amen Catholic App. Its free and includes the Bible in a year.
The King used like 40+ scholar’s. I think it was 46 but not positive. One scholar alone spoke over 14 languages. They spent like 6 years. I’d recommend someone else rewrite this wiki answer! Obviously whoever wrote it didn’t do any reaserch
No it was actually, 52 scholars, fluent in Greek and Hebrew, which took 7 years to the Greek and Hebrew texts to translate and create.
A Brother in Christ
John
This is false difference. Look at the original King James /Authorised Version 1611 – it’s like the catholic version!
Alif, No the King James is not like the Catholic Bible. For example, God wrote the ten Commandments in stone with His own FINGER. The Catholic church admits they changed them. They also added books to the Scriptures. In Revelation 22 verses 18 and 19 Jesus says if anyone adds to or takes away from the prophecy of this book [Revelation], the plagues that are written in it shall be added unto him.
No. Protestant bible came because there already was an original Bible. It came after. This King James changed the original to accomodate his urge to divorce. So he really did something the original (Catholic) bible says “to not take out” of holy scriptures…. Holy Catholic Church was around WITH THE original bible for over 1,500 yrs until a KING JAMES decided to take out and add to this ORIGINAL HOLY BOOK. I follow what Christ left… I dont follow a KING JAMES opinions or whims…. I wanna read what God left us ORIGINALLY. Read historical facts.
No. Protestant bible came because there already was an original Bible. It came after. This King James changed the original to accomodate his urge to divorce etc. etc….So he really did something the original (Catholic) bible says “to not take out” of holy scriptures…. Holy Catholic Church was around WITH THE original bible for over 1,500 yrs until a KING JAMES decided to take out and add to this ORIGINAL HOLY BOOK. I follow what Christ left… I dont follow a KING JAMES opinions or whims…. I wanna read what God left us ORIGINALLY. Read historical facts.
That’s what some pedophile priest told you, not what is true. The KJV manuscripts were well documented long before that catholic heresy advocated by those wicked Jesuits intruded and twisted those manuscripts. Explain how the KJV has to do something with his “urge to divorce”.
Are you a born again? They give other Christians a bad name.
There are some dirty protestant pedophile priests walking around so why call a Catholic priest a pedophile?
Catholic priests are called out for their pedo crimes in no small part because they exploit their position of authority and trust to take advantage; i.e., rape nuns, and children in the name of God, and not only make a living from it but also receive a lifetime of protection from the head of their church; not God, but a man who feigns ignorance of their acts. Can you believe that the pope is only just starting to hear of their heinous acts. On what planet has he been living all his life? With such self professed ignorance of this centuries long problem, the pope, and all his predecessors, is hardly qualified for the position he now occupies. If he gets his head out of his a** long enough he may even learn that Galileo was right about the motions of the planets. That little detail will really blow his mind
Name me one priest that you know that is a pedophile. Secondly how are you going to call a priest pedophiles when there’s a whole bunch they’ve never done a thing wrong in their lives. Thirdly not every Catholic is a pedophile. So do your research and then come talk to somebody who knows what they’re talking about. King James started the church of England because he wanted a divorce and the pope refuse to do a divorce because divorce as you can read in the Bible is against all teachings of the church and of Christ. If you read the Bible it says what God has brought to gather let no man tear asunder.
That was Henry VII
Hello, could anyone tell me what bible did the Knights Templar use .
Thank you.
The KJV is never used by Catholics. It is a Proddy bible.
In God’s and Jesus eye’s we are all the same my friend’s Do not discriminate each other’s religious beliefs One God that’s it really is it not and if you know Jesus then Love each,other the person as He doe’s and not the religion or choice of bible etc.We all stand before Him at the end Don’t allow evil to taint or deceive you ok Love each other as I have loved you is what He asks of you
I do not have any discrimination among catholic or protestant. I go to the Catholic church as well as protestant because it is only one God that we serve in following Jesus.
Catholicism is a pagan religion made by those wicked Jesuits. All catholics will go to hell unless they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
A typical Protestant response. The protestant religion is loose we need some Martin is on Calvin is home all the other ones. James from the Catholic Church if you do your history Martin Luther with his the season was protesting the Catholic church therefore without the Catholic Church you wouldn’t even have a religion to fall under. Secondly without the Catholic Church there would be no other churches Christ established the Catholic Church when he told Peter that George Peter and upon this rock I will build my church. Finally if you read the Bible again without Peter without being poked without being first pope there would be no other churches because there wouldn’t of been a Catholic Church to begin with for Martin Luther to protest against.
Do you have to believe in hell, in order to go to heaven?
T you know nothing about the catholic church, im sorry to say but it looks like you are just blaspheming against the Mother Church, I cant find an appropriate word for your behaviour. The Catholic Church unlike Many Other Churches accept Jesus as the One and True God, and we believe in The Holy Trinity which is a mystery only a true CATHOLIC will understand we believe in Mother Mary and In The Holy Spirit who Filled within Mother Mary so she could concieve Jesus. T I ask God to forgive you for talking wrong about Him and His selected People.
The judgement is not yours to make.
The judgement is not yours to make.
I grew up catholic in a catholic school and church. Everyday we had mass . I had communion in the 2nd grade and was baptized as a baby just like almost evey catholic. When I was in my twenties I was spiritually lost . I started studying the kjv of the Holy Bible and God spoke to me like never before. I asked Jesus to come into my life and forgive me for my sins . I got saved . Its not fake its the difference in eternal life and Hell. I never had the personal relationship with Christ I do now even though I thought I had especially when I was younger. I would encourage anyone who is Catholic to not led pride step in front of your salvation. It’s different when u acknowledge the fact your A sinner in need of forgiveness and confess your belief in Jesus Christ being the son of God with your heart . The way to Christ is narrow its through the cross not any other way . Please accept salvation and know God like youve never known him . God bless our nation . God bless a lost world and those who are neglecting the word of Christ . I pray youll come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ
I actually went through the same kind of thing growing up. I came to Christ in my early twenties and I was and still am forever changed from knowing Christ personally and even though I was”confirmed” Catholic at thirteen years old, I didn’t know the right way to God until my husband introduced me to the Lord in my early twenties. Only if you have a priest who really teaches that you have to accept Christ into your heart to be truly saved, you aren’t taught the truth about the most important part of being a child of God. I am not able to say that every Catholic doesn’t know the difference between just going to confession and truly having a personal relationship with Christ and I just pray that everyone, of any denomination, receive Christ into their hearts and souls and have the joy, peace and fellowship that He really wants for us.
I am elderly and growing up as a Catholic we were not to study the Bible. Only the priest had access and the only Scripture I heard was 15 minutes of the Gospel during Mass. All other was church doctrine and memorized prayer. Which did help me at all UNTIL I WAS REBORN – THANK YOU JESUS!
Is it not true the Roman Catholic Church has put more Christians to death as heretics than any other church in history since Christ Jesus was on the earth?
Also why do the songs sang in Latin during mass sing praise of/to Lucifer and not of Jesus Christ?
Name me one Catholic him that his song at the traditional Latin mass. That seems of all praises to Lucifer. If you look through them none of them do. Go talk to at priestly fraternity Saint Peter FSSP or an SSPX society of Saint Pius the 10th parish priest and he’ll set you straight.
Marie has the only true meaning of this entire post… We will all be before God and get judged. Love each other. Do not discriminate against the others. It states in Matthew and Mark that friends will hate each other brother killing brother families turning against each other nation against nation kingdom against kingdom. We all believe in the same person. We r in the last days guys he stated love one another love ur enemies forgive them that persecute u because of my name remember he paid the price for every one of this Earth not one person in the world could ever go thru the torment and punishment that he went thru. Even when he was being beat spat on hung on the cross he prayed for God to forgive them for they know not what they do. this man is amazing look around u in the world just get up walk outside look up n breath in the fresh air n listen to the wind in the trees n sound of the water n wildlife u will see the beauty of the earth he created n yet man destroy it every day. He’s coming soon and its just round the corner be ready guys n remember love each other God bless you all
God has said, there are no other God’s besides me. Why do Catholics pray to Mary as another god?
We do not pray to Mary as another God. We venerate her as the mother of Jesus Christ the one true God.
Because Catholics never read the Bible. That’s how they can so easily trade gods. After all, who needs to pray to the Creator of Jesus when you have more than 2,000 substitute gods standing by? Catholicism has corrupted the teachings of Y’shua Ha Maschiach; that is Hebrew for, Jesus the Messiah, since the very beginning so they will be able to freely worship their true gods… power, money, and greed. If there is a Heaven, and I pray that there is, I am quite certain that not one Catholic soul dwells there, much less, any pope who ever lived
We read the Bible EVERY Sunday at mass. Please educate yourself.
I pray for you.
Martin Palmer as though you can judge who goes to heaven and who doesnt this is what Protestants do , THEY JUDGE, Onky God can judge , Jesus even tells not to Judge anyone (maybe you havent read that part in the Bible).
I pray that God will banish satan from you and show you what being a Christian is, from a believer of Christ in the Universal Christian Church
Anonymous your spot on. God is the spirit that moves in all things. Your in his church every day. Quit fighting and start loving. I’m a 66 year old heathen thats spent my life as most men do. Running in the squirrel cage of life. Married and divorced. But somehow I was blessed with 2 children 8 grandchildren and 1 month ago my great grand daughter. Shes coming into the world and I’m soon to leave. My sister (who was not religious) told me its all true. My brother in law as he died called me to come to him.( he was in a comma at the time) and I held his hand as he passed. He’s all around us people. He speaks to us in many different ways. Your bickering only shows how petty man can be. Open your hearts to goodness. Be true to yourself perform random act of kindness for the love of it. Not for reward. I’m non denominational. I believe its whats in your heart not your head. Quit fighting start loving. Its been a tough life but the best is yet to come
I am an ex-catholic now saved by Jesus Christ. If you want eternal life, the Bible says you need to repent of ALL your sins AND the Lord knows your heart. If repentance IS true to heart, and you truly want to walk with Christ through your life, most likely you will receive salvation and then you need to be baptized in Christ to receive Holy Spirit and transform your life to “walking with Christ”. The Holy Spirit leads and guides you according to the Way Christ lived (reading the Bible is a must). And you MUST OBEY the Holy Spirit within you. It’s not easy but it is simple. God bless you all in Jesus’ name!!
Tammy you don’t need to repent your sins , don’t get sucked in to the born again mob , just be good.
No David, you need to repent. Forget about all the denomination’s and just focus on Jesus Christ, your Saviour. A personal relationship with Christ is what matters, Not all this childish arguments who’s denomination is right/ wrong. Confess, repent, pray and sin no more.
I’m in awe that a website religious in content would have total strangers lashing out at each other over which religion is better. Jesus is weeping and Satan is living his best life. I will pray for you all.
I agree with Kim. Pray for me too Kim. I too will pray for everyone who took the trouble of commenting here.
Well said. Live a good life humble generous and loving. Without judgment. I think you’ll be just fine in the next great adventure after this life is over
Catholics, Protestants, Jews whatever. It seems all of these posts don’t seem to be Christian. None of them.
Jesus said “love thy neighbor as thyself”. Seems you all hate each other more than you love. At least your comments support that. Arguing whose is Christian and not. Your neighbor is everyone one comes in contact with, including messageing and texting.
Wow, Just be good? There’s going to be a lot of good people in hell because they never surrender their life to Christ. Only one way guys… There’s only one way !!! Remember who said “I am the way?” It was Jesus. You either come in through Jesus, or you don’t come in at all. Jesus told us to GO, make disciples. Do you realize that over 90% of people who “claim” to be a Christian will NEVER share their faith ! Don’t think you are going to hear the words “ well done good and faithful servant “ from God if you just live your life just bring good. Matthew 28…Go, Baptize and Trach them about Jesus. They need to see His Love through you.
i applauded all who criticized the catholic teachings, because i am certain all of them do not really knew or even studied about its teachings and doctrines. that’s precisely a form of attack in a war with a false anemy. yeah, most of you are catholics if not athiest before you believed in christ,since tracing back to history, protestants were products of catholic faith. products in the sense that these people were borned out of protest to the teaching of the church..now,throughout the years since they had protested the church, they have never realized that they are growing not just in number of members but more so of other protestant sects.. do you think that is the will of god for us to be divided in faith? i am a catholic and sometimes i really questioned if i am in the true church.but for me, it is just a matter of spiritual dryness or crisis, somehow your faith is being tested,just like the experience of god’s chosen people in the old testament. having these thousands of christian denomiations now, for me, nobody can tell us now which is the true one except the history and the bible itself. i know for sure that it is not the will of god to have many beliefs and that people will be divided in faith, that is exactly the reason why he chose or entrusted peter to hold the keys of heaven, being the rock where he built his church and given the authority to forgive sins, so we may have reference to where we should go back when we get lost. it’s very easy to criticize and attack others beliefs and faith, and oftentimes, this is made by those who do not really knew and even studied ones religion and the bible itself. often they they just rely on the teachings of their church leaders,which teachings hve been the reasons for other denomiations to exist. that fact has to stop.
as i’ve been learning about my Catholic faith, i’ve found out that the accusations of the protestants and other religion against catholism were not actually true. we are not actually substituting god by asking mary’s intercession in our favor. it is like asking our friends to include us in their prayers. because saints are actually living individuals in heaven and their functions are to praise and worship god, things which we will also do when we will reach heaven someday.revelation shows saints worshipping god, singing hymns, playing instruments, making requests to christ to avenge their martyrdom and offering prayers for the saints on earth[rev. 4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11]
The only way you will ever know which should be the REAL book of Jesus is to read the manuscripts yourself.
The bible was translated by people/priests that were under the control of the kings or emperors at the time.
Meanings of some words have different meanings in different context.
The bible is the best way to control people and have them follow the leaders of the country/world.
You may say this is blasphemy or not true, but have a look around. The leaders of the world are destroying us, we have to follow them and do as they say.
They have us fight each other through war, terrorism and RELIGIOUS beliefs.
To follow the lord god is to have nothing of value and to give yourself to him in body, heart and soul, ‘right’
Then why does EVERY religious group have more money, property and assets than any other person in the world.
Religion tells you to help the poor and the needy, but the they still have billions of dollars and assets.
So going on the bible the people of that religion will not go to heaven as they have not given up their processions as they are still with their church.
John 19:26-27 King James Version (KJV)
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
The reason I quoted is that I believe Jesus wanted us to know that Mary is our earthy and Heavenly Mother. Why wouldn’t Jesus want us to revere her? My mother in Heaven has done great things for me here on earth through her intercession to Her Son. My brother is not Catholic and tells me to go directly to Jesus and yes he does have a point, but I really don’t see the huge deal in praying to Mary. She brought me to Jesus. Anyone who brings you to the Lord is pretty good and cannot be of the devil. Please remember that Jesus told us the greatest commandment and that is to “Love” one another.
Jesus is about love. Love your neighbour as your self. Sadly many of the above comments are not very Cristian.
Stop the bickering and unite in praying for everyone. How can we have peace while bickering. Jesus will take care of you as long as believe in what You believe while respecting your neighbors beliefs and showing your love for them.
God bless all who read this
i see so the bible with all its translations & variations are clearly a tainted and corrupted word of God and in fact an man made piece of literature for furthering on a political agenda and religious greed? To cut the long story short this is pretty much it.. no question about it despite all the brainwashing and explanations!
Most of the unloving comments I have read here seem to stem from either ignorance or judgement. I am not a scholar nor am I perfect. I am a sinner because I am a human being. After years of study and instruction (under Roman Catholic and Protestant translations) of scripture, I know what God put forth and Jesus lived on Earth. Please treat each other with the love and kindness Jesus modeled. He was the Word made flesh so that we could see how to live. You break my heart.
Good words Robin. The answer is really quite simple isn’t it.
Mark 9:38-41
38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.
39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.
Even though we are more connected to Christians around the world, it seems that we are further apart. We become followers of our denomination, our church, or our theology instead of being followers of Christ. (Even though we are more connected to Christians around the world, it seems that we are further apart. We become followers of our denomination, our church, or our theology instead of being followers of Christ. (Jullian Nunnaly)
I believe the end result of our faith is far more important than how we got that faith.
The ESV is an excellent version of the Bible. It’s a conservative Evangelical revamp of the RSV which was the version used in universities for decades. It is a translation in the Tyndale – KJV tradition and renders verses traditionally and majestically.
Catholic Bishops in England appreciate its strengths and are preparing a new lectionary. It will be great to have Catholics and educated Protestants reading from the same page.
The ESV is widely available but if you want a Catholic Edition imprimatur with all the books you’ll have to order it from India or wait a few years.
Unless I am mistaken in my history, the Anglican Church had broken away from the Catholic Church before the King James Version was printed because Henry could not get the divorce he wanted from the Catholic Church. Like every other breakaway religion that disagreed with the teachings of the Catholic Bible, they incorporated small but meaningful changes that allowed them to follow their own interpretations of the Bible with impunity. There is but one original Church, that one founded by the Apostle Peter at the direction of Jesus Christ, known as the Catholic Church, following the crucifixion of Christ. There is but one Catholic Bible as approved by the Catholic Church. In the U.S., that is the New American Bible. Every other variation of that Bible is a deviation of the original written by and adapted for those who question the authority of the Pope and the Catholic Church itself. Submission to God is a requirement of all of them. Jesus as God directed the formation and foundation of the Catholic Church. Self-will, the ultimate basis of original sin, is what led to the many varied breakaway churches who decided somewhere along the way that their version of worship and the Bible is “better” than or better suits their purposes, than the original Church commissioned by Christ. I pray for you all and come Judgment Day, we will find out for sure who chose wisely and who chose poorly. There is an absolute right answer, so claims of relativism and/or tolerance for differing views will not serve well those who have chosen poorly. All that being said, it is the love of and belief in Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit, and the lives and choices they compel us to follow, that will be our measure on Judgment Day. Just to be clear, I do not judge the choices made by anyone regarding the religious tenets they choose to follow. There is but one true Judge and I submit myself to Him in ALL things.
Quite well said
You are correct. The kjv was created for the fallin away king Henry the eighth that interpreted the Bible the way he wanted it to read. The catholic bible is based on truth not lies. No one should change the words of the Bible. If we read another version of Gods word the blessings that come down are not the same. We have six books more in our catholic bible. I will continue to read only a catholic bible. Thank you for your wonderful insight into this matter. God bless
I’m afraid that by in large, if Satan was to look at this he would be well pleased with himself. I’m also afraid that this would sadden our father in Heaven. I’ve read most of these posts and it seems that everyone here believes in Jesus Christ and his father who is God. It also seems that everyone here also believes that Jesus was in fact God in the human form who came to free us all from the Law that we could not live up to and offer us salvation.
So why is everyone arguing so much? It’s about the intricacies and nuances of their personal and denominational theology.
I believe, that is to say it’s my opinion that no two men or women are going to read the same thing and walk away with precisely the same understanding or precisely the same message. Some may argue that we are in a state of redemption from our sins, if we have prayed before reading and asked for God to open our heart and if we pray for understanding then it would be possible. I agree that it’s possible, with God all things are possible right? My point here is that it’s also my opinion that Gods word is all encompassing and all good and righteous things to all men and women as God deems necessary for them at that given moment. So does that mean it’s contradicting? Of course not. As an example, I’ve read passages and scriptures at different times, with different needs in my life or looking for guidance or answers of s different nature at different times and the same passage has been revealed in a totally different way with s very different point being made. I think that’s God at work.
I also believe that short of gross deletion, omission or addition, God knew and has allowed for variances in translation. He knows we are human far better than we do I believe. If my translation is slightly different than yours but both equate to the same thing, the same meaning, the same intent, doesn’t it make sense that ultimately they are in fact the same?
So Protestants and Catholics continue to argue and become angered with one another…not a lot has changed since Martin Luther first broke away from what was at that time the mainstream Christian Church or the Catholic Church.
So was he so wrong and in equal measure was the Church if that day so wrong? I think God knows we will disagree and drive at different opinions and again, I feel that he has allowed for that until we become angered with one another and allow a window of opportunity for Satan to enter our hearts. if anger is in our hearts as sure as we are human, if we don’t quench that anger quick it will fester into hate and ultimately sin. Then what we think is righteous work is truly Satans work and we have become fooled by the great deceiver.
I had a wonderful opportunity many years ago to examine my personal religious beliefs and what I held as right and true and just with opposing beliefs of another theological sect of Christianity. I was raised in an interdenominational, Protestant church in a very rural area of the USA. I was a believer and had accepted Christ as my savior, confessed my sins and asked forgiveness for them. I was then baptized and tried to live s good life afterward. Not that I lived a bad life before, I was young. And as many adolescents do, I strayed and sought the things if man and the world for s season. In early adulthood I realized how I had been living. I was still a good person by secular measures but I wasn’t seeking Christ first, I was seeking the things of man and if the world. Do I came back to the fold ad it were. I repented and I repented our of true regret and with a sorrowful heart. I don’t truly don’t think it was necessary but something moved me inside to get baptized again so I did. so life went on and I tried to exist in this world and be a good man and a good Christian. Then I met and fell in love…and with a Catholic girl. My wife’s family insisted of adherence to tradition and a big Catholic wedding. I prayed about it…a lot and ultimately I decided what is the harm in spending time with a priest? Well I can tell you it was time well spent. I don’t think either of us altered our beliefs in the slightest but we both grew to understand AND RESPECT each other a great deal. In fact I had no problem referring to him as Father and I couldn’t wait each week till we met again. We became great friends and I can honestly say I hold him dear to my heart to this day…but I never joined his Church or Parrish. I feel comfortable saying he feels the same about me. We discussed all the things I had heard about Catholics all my life and I gained insight and understanding I didn’t have before. That is to say I discovered that it was just a different way of worshiping the same Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Separated by generations of tradition and formality but ultimately with the same intent and purpose.
So some things to consider I think…the Church has been administered by fallible men since it was created or established. It is Gods Church but men are the custodians of this church and likewise anything that man has s hand in can’t be perfect. Some revere Peter as one who was greater than other men, some think he was great by proxy and having been chosen by Jesus as “The Rock” that he would build his church on. If we had never heard more about Peter I think most of us would only remember him as the one who denied him three times at the end. I think it’s fair to say that if we hadn’t heard more about Peter then we would think he tucked tail and ran, a betrayal of Christ, not so different than a Judas? Possibly, not for money but to save himself. So was he great? Of course he was, he was chosen and that’s what makes him great. I can’t be so bold as to say I know why Christ chose him but if I was to guess I would think it’s because Jesus knew he was in fact a rock, a object very hard to move, change or alter, in short the man who would get the job done. So was he great? Yes but so are we all so I believe. I greater or lessor than anyone. God has purpose for us all but we don’t all always open our hearts, minds and eyes and allow ourselves to see that purpose so we go through life without our purpose realized. I personally believe that Peter was a very strong willed and maybe even a little stubborn man, kinda a kin to a bull. A never say die, never give in and very headstrong man. What better man to give such an important task as Building your church? But he’s still a man and imperfect in a word. And that I think is what so many of us forget. So to wrap up Peter, does anyone think Jesus asked Peter to be Pope of his church? I think he did. If you look up the definition of “Pope” in Latin and Greek you will see definitions such as “Papa”, “Father”, “Patriarch“, “Bishop”…and so on. I think it’s fair to say that wether or not the word “Pope” was used in Amharic or not, it had the same meaning. The leader of the Church. So I think it’s fair and in fact proper to honor Peter as the original Head of the Church but not necessarily to worship him or place him in a level equal to God or Jesus because ultimately, even if chosen if God, he was still a man.
So concerning Mary, I asked the Priest I met with weekly “do you really pray to Mary?” He laughed and said “I’m sure some do, but I don’t teach that we do that in my Parrish nor does this Diocese but we do revere Mary and hold her in high esteem as chosen of God as the only vessel worthy of a God to enter in order to be born of flesh”. He went on to say that it’s widely believed that Mary was very young and at a tender age and of a very religious family so it’s not that hard to imagine that at that time and in that day, she was in fact without sin. Then he elaborated and went on to explain how things metastasize over time and once they take hold, over generations and generations that are very hard to change. He said tradition is as heard to change as someone’s heart. He added “you guys don’t use incense in your services but we do, and you guys by in large use grape juice for communion but we use wine that has been blessed, are either of us wrong or just different according to our tradition and the beliefs we were taught?” I had to agree no. This all made perfect sense to me and I have to say I loved the time we spent together and I wish I had an excuse to monopolize his time like that again but he has a flock to look after and this would only be for my own indulgence so I don’t ask. I just miss our conversations and personal time with my Catholic friend who happens to be a priest. If I do what I intend to do and life my life as I should I hope to find myself in Heaven someday, I may be surprised by being their myself but if I see my friend the priest it will not come as a surprise at all.
I could continue for a long time, addressing multiple individual differences but I think, I Hope at least that I’ve made a point and I hope I’ve allowed the Father to work through me.
I encourage everyone to permeate love to everyone, I won’t use the word tolerance because I think that implies accepting something that is wrong when in fact it should be accepting and trying to understand something different. I think it will be time we’ll spent, worthy of your efforts and reap blessings.
We do not have to accept what is differen! That would be foolish. BUT we do have to accept the other person’s right to believe as they do however wrong they may be.
In case anybody misunderstands. Catholics do NOT “worship” Peter! The Pope is the CEO of the Church just like every other business, sport, charity, in the world. There has to be someone at the top. The Church is the same. That is why we have ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.Protestants have 38000 THOUSAND DENOMINATIONS. Note, “denominations” NOT “churches”.
They do not have a validly ordained priesthood. They are ALL man-made and a few female-made. All with their owm made up traditions. All deciding that they are their own “pope” interpreting the Bible (a Catholic book) according to their own views! There are good protestants who should be in the Catholic Church, and there are bad catholics who should leave the Church. They won’t be missed.
I don’t have a comment but I do have a question. I am a catholic, I was given a Precious Moments One Year Bible back in the 1990’s and was wondering if it’s Catholic. I’ve look everywhere on the Bible and can’t fine what denomination it is.
I did a google search and the cover shows the King James Version. So it will have only 66 books of the 73 that are in the Catholic Bible. Our Catholic bible has the 66 books plus it includes the Deuterocanonical Books of the Old Testament. The 7 extra books are: Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Sirach, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, and Wisdom of Solomon. Also, in the book of Esther and the book of Daniel, there are some additional verses.
I would like to get a copy of the Catholic version of the bible do you have any idea where I can buy on
How to recognize an authentic Catholic Bible or book. Look for the words NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR . Usually inside the cover. It means, “Let it stand” and “Let it be written”. This is the Church’s stamp that it is correct according to Church teaching. In a book, it would only refer to anything within the book concerning the Faith and not to the rest of the book.
I came from a large family of Catholics. Attended Catholic School until the 6th grade. The mother Superior beat me with a ruler, she said Satan was in me after getting the middle finger do a volunteer worker. My mother gave me the choice to go to public school after that. Being a Catholic growing up we always went to church on Sundays. But once we became older, going to church was occasional. Once I started having children, it was always instilled in me that they should be baptized. Having 3 children, they were baptized Catholic at three different churches. Priests would always give me a hard time about not being there on Sundays. My wife was not Catholic but had a Baptist background. She pretty much follow whatever I would do. I signed my children now at a local Lutheran preschool. Then we started attending Church on Sundays there. I suddenly wanted to learn more. I would always make my family sit up front as close as possible (little different then going to church as Catholic we fill up the back first.)
Really love to Lutheran Pre-K, but I ended up moving All My children to public school do to affordability. The pastor I had at the time asked me to be a pastoral assistant. I didn’t feel like I was Worthy to do so because lack of true Bible knowledge. I would meet with the pastor on a regular basis, studying my NIV Bible constantly. Always trying to learn listen to different Bible teachers I fell into some end time prophecies. And left the church completely. Still studying with my family visiting senior homes letting my older children read the Bible to the seniors. Started reading more of the King James Bible felt much more comfortable and its translations. I can say I’ve learned so much more being outside of the church, Catholic or Lutheran. I had a second cousin on my dad’s side, who was a Catholic bishop. He spent a lot of time the sister Teresa, and love to tell the story of his ministry with her. Everybody love this guy, his incredible love for the Lord. Always love talking with him whenever I had a chance. It was hard talk to him because everyone wanted to talk to him when he was around.
The conclusion that I’ve came to in my 61 years. The God doesn’t recognize the denomination where in. And he doesn’t recognize our good works as a ticket to heaven. It’s by his grace that we are saved. Not by our works. If we believe that Jesus came and died for our sins and rose again we will be saved. 1Cor15:1-4 the Paul said he was the apostle for the gentiles. The four Gospels we’re mostly Jewish. Jesus told the apostles go not unto the gentiles but to the lost sheep of Israel (With the exceptions). He preached in a synagogue, trying to get them to recognize that he was the Messiah. When they didn’t recognize him, the earthly kingdom was put on hold. The heavenly Kingdom of the body of Christ was revealed to the apostle Paul to preach to the Jew and gentile.
So I believe that people will be saved out of all denominations but not by their works, but by the grace of Jesus Christ we will be saved not by works if anyone could boast.
“The Mother Superior beat me with a ruler”! Pathetic! The “poor me” syndrome. In those days ALL teachers, secular and religious, were allowed to chastise children. Some went too far resulting in the Law being changed. Attacking the Nuns is always the pathetic excuse used by renegade catholics because they need an excuse to leave the Church! Interestingly we never hear of Protestant teachers half murdering their pupils!
I was taught by Nuns, (I am 74) and was never once slapped by them. I am so grateful to Jesus that He gave me that blessing. My brother was taught by a secular teacher who beat his students viciously, not with a ruler, but with a piece of a window frame! In those days teachers were, wrongly, revered. I repeat, he was a SECULAR teacher, not religious.
Today we see the results of NO discipline in schools.
The oldest known masoretic text is from the 800s AD, using a johnny-come-late text purely because it’s in Hebrew is idiotic. Only the Septuagint should have been used as it is the oldest and most authoritative version of the bible currently extant.
A house divided will never stand. We must be tolerant and respectful to one another even when we have disagreements about the many versions of the Bible. To speak of one version of the Bible having more value or truth than another, or by speaking of a religious faith such as Catholic or Christian being better than the other will always cause division. Each person should examine their faith from within and decide if it speaks to you and brings you enlightenment. As long as you allow Christ in your heart and listen to his teachings, you shall be saved. Discuss this matter with your church. Someone should be able to share with you the appropriate version of the Bible that best suits your pursuit of Christ. Remember that people will have slightly different perspectives of what has been seen or heard. Perhaps take in all points of view to better understand and appreciate Christ’s teachings.
Thanks designed for sharing such a nice thought, paragraph is good, thats why i have read it completely
There is a third branch of Christian’s in history. Those outside the institutional churches. Read ” the torch of the Testimony” by John W Kennedy. Also bibles were burned for 1000 years because the only sanctioned bible was the Latin Vulgate and the the only recognized church was the Roman Catholic Church.That’s why they called it ” The Dark Ages ” partially. Dissent was not allowed. We are called to follow Christ, not any human institutions or persons. Institutions and people will fail you, Jesus never will. The True Church comprises those who believe in Him and follow Him. I grew up Catholic and have attended other denominations; all churches have traditions that are not biblical in some form or another. Jesus told the pharisees ” you make the Word of God powerless by your traditions”. We do the same in many ways. Seek Him with all your heart and you will find Him. God seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and truth.John 4
True Comment Brother.
I am very happy to hear that people believe in God and his son Jesus Christ. If you love him first and your neighbor and do the will of God you are all blessed peopleThanks Be To God Amen
Oh I am just confused and dont know who and which bible to trust.
I believe we are all christians but man built there own church and aplied there laws i dont let no man teach me i let God teach me direct from his words and the 2 commandments i follow so i wont do the aposit of the ten commandments also i work for the lord and my believe are for one God Father Jehova one Lord Jesus Christ and one Holy spirit And everything else is from man or the devil Amen
John 3:16 –
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (Jesus) that whosoever believes in Him would not perish (go to hell) but would have everlasting life. Amen and Amen.
Please stop arguing and worship God who is LOVE.
Whoevever loves there father there mother there brothers and sisters more than me they are not worthy of me who is my mother my brothers and sisters the only ones thats my mother and brothers and sisters are the one who does the will of my Father Jehovah and all power is given to me in heaven and on earth so who do we have to obey and follow the new testaments and all that Jesus says to do hes preparing our way to be strong for whats coming ahead in revelations we will not know the Father if we dont know Jesus Christ God speaks through Jesus bcus Jesus does his works throu him Jesus even says it i come to do my Fathers will so my believes is the new testament whats going on now in our time and will continue to believe till its my time that my spirit leave my body i dont belive in religions because there against each other and its all about having a relationship with God through Jesus Christ i belive in reading the bible direct and let God teach me my path for righteousness through Jesus Christ bcus Jesus is the way to the kigdom of God Amen have a blessful Journey
I have to agree with the fellow who says Christians and should not argue among themselves, for this is what it says in the New Testament, in
2 Timothy 2:14; in Romans 14; in Titus 3:9. 1 Corinthians 3:3 is also relevant. There are so many more… We are all supposed to be part of one Body, that of Christ, with Him as the Head. God Bless Us All…
And beyond this…we are All God’s children, every man, woman, and child on Earth.
I have to agree with the fellow who says Christians should not argue among themselves, for this is what it says in the New Testament, in
2 Timothy 2:14; in Romans 14; in Titus 3:9. 1 Corinthians 3:3 is also relevant. There are so many more… We are all supposed to be part of one Body, that of Christ, with Him as the Head. God Bless Us All…
And beyond this…we are All God’s children, every man, woman, and child on Earth.
Forgive me, but I thought if you believe in jesus christ as your lord and savior that you are a christian. No matter what your denomination is. Also, I thought we were not the judge of anyone but ourselves. I know right and I know wrong. I have sinned and can’t cast the first stone at anyone. Just a reminder “woe unto false prophets” and all of the Bible experts on here know the rest.
It’s sad how many comments are attacking eachother….
With due respect, Jesus is a great prophet and messenger of God and was born by the miracle of God.
This will solves many problems. Did Jesus create catholics or protestants or any other version?
Why there are different version of bible? Will God allow His words to be amended or manupilated by humans?
From Adam tru All prophets Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Joseph, Isa(Jesus) until Muhammad p.b.u them all… They carry the same message in parts from the same God.
If people cant agree on One same book, there will be never ending arguement.
If you may be open to look into One book that has been retain in its original content, writting and language, it is the Quran.
The original form are still in Arabic as it was 1400 years ago. It is translated in many language for people to understand but muslim will be able to read the original arabic version and there are thousands of muslim who holds word by word of Quran by heart. This is the practice since Muhammad time and this is how the original words of God are preserved.
May you do your research if someone is really seeking for the absolute truth.
May God guide those who are sincere in seeking His guidance.
Amin
This article contains a considerable amount of erroneous information. The Catholic Cannon was not derived from the Vulgate. Rather, the Vulgate conformed to the Catholic cannon.
The Roman church used the books from the Septuagint, a translation of select Hebrew scriptures into Greek by Rabbinical scholars from the 2nd Century BCE that was commonly read by Christians at the time of the early Church, to define the contents of the Old Testament. The Septuagint included books that later were defined as part of the Apocrypha. The books of the Apocrypha were considered as such because there was extant Hebrew source text for those books when later Rabbis defined the Jewish Cannon in 120. Other deuterocanonical works that were widely read, and even quoted in the New Testament, were excluded from the Bible because of the authority the Church assigned to the Septuagint.
Ultimately, Luther concurred with the reasoning of the Rabbis and not the 4th Century Roman Church and rejected the Apocrapha, which is why Protestant Bible’s Old Testament conforms to contemporary Jewish cannon. Though Protestants will frequently assert that the Catholics added books to the Bible, the reality is that the Protestants removed books from the Catholic cannon to make it conformant with available Hebrew source texts, though the Catholic cannon is derived from and older documentary source that was, and continues to be, held in high esteem, and is an important reference text in trying to discern the meanings of many ancient Hebrew words. Most English translations, including the KJV, have utilized the Septuagint as a translation resource.
The second paragraph should read:
because there was *no* extant Hebrew source text for those books
There are only two but *inseparable* commandments to follow as a Christian, and to be saved (i.e., to inherit or have a share in eternal life/salvation). Lk 10:25-37 – where you’ll see the quoted answer of Christ to the query of a learned man (Pharisee).
Who is “Julita”? Why aren’t we given more information on the source of this article. It would seem much of this article is based on this elusive persons take on the situation and has been intermingled with facts.
I would like a more fact-based answer with less or no spin please.
The key to the bible is keep his word and lit the holy ghost teach you not men
I suggest before you post a comment you proofread your comment. Also, when you’re referring to God thy almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth please capitalize His name.
The first NT book which talks about crucifixion of Jesus is not any of the four gospels. It is the book of St.Paul who never met Jesus.
The gospel Matthew (4:23) says Jesus preached gospel in Galilee. We all know All 4 canoniaed gospels came in to existence between 65 -95 AD, 35-60 years after Jesus ascended to heaven.
So which gospel Jesus preached?
Above all,
1) Jesus preached to his people (Jews) in his mother tongue Aramaic. But all 27 books of NT were writtem in Greek
2) None of the 27 books of New Testament was authorized by Jesus. He doesn’t even know these books exist.
I close my case
Its sad to see that we haven’t learned anything in the last few thousand years. All of you still bickering about who’s religion is the true religion. You can call it what you may. You’ve been killing and abusing one another in the name of God. And I know you’ll justify it by more of your narrow mindedness. Shamefully. He’s the spirit that moves in all things. He’s within all of us. In your heart not your head. GET ALONG PEOPLE.
Correction. The word shamefully in a typo. Shamfull is the word intended. As shamefully on you
Its sad to see that we haven’t learned anything in the last few thousand years. All of you still bickering about who’s religion is the true religion. You can call it what you may. You’ve been killing and abusing one another in the name of God. And I know you’ll justify it by more of your narrow mindedness. Shameful. He’s the spirit that moves in all things. He’s within all of us. In your heart not your head. GET ALONG PEOPLE.
Catholics do not worship idols or Mary. These are just the same old myths and lies from misinformed Protestants. We only worship God. Everything we do is for Jesus.
I read all the posts here and feel so sad with what I read! Stop attacking each other’s religions or beliefs! I came to this site to learn how we can connect together regardless of one’s faith and left feeling emotional drained by all the negative comments!
Why so many churches, denominations, religions when there is only one God one Jesus and one Holy Sprit. Trinity meaning like marriage the two become one in the flesh the three are likewise.
Yes supposedly we can bluntly and easily say that we are in oneness. But the danger lies if our religion has mixed worshiping God alone with something else is where it caused division. What is worship in the era of Christianity? what is worship after coming of Jesus. or the least what is the difference between HONOR & PRAYER? Each one can ponder on that. What is harlot or paganism of worshipping God in this era within Christianity?
God has warned us to worship Him and Him alone. So for those who have felt that Catholicism has mixed the truth with lies, or has caused harlot in worshipping God then there is the division. Then there is a battle for truth. There is no oneness with lies and truth. So, a fight for truth is always there till the coming of Christ who is the only truth and will divide those who belong to Him and those who are not. Because, the scriptures explicitly says even from within us not many who called Him Lord Lord will be saved. So, there is something wrong which requires correction. When Jesus said, “I will build my church on this rock and the gates of hell will not prevails against it”, could it simply means it refer to us who have believed in Him and have become His truth church? like Paul said don’t you know that your are the temple of God, a living sacrifice? and our faith in believing in Him that He is the son of the Living God. For when He comes, He will come for His bride and we are that bride, it’s not a building as in catholic, Presbyterian,calvinist, etc. Let’s refer to all the scriptures (OT & NT). Look at David most of all, He called Jesus as the rock of salvation. Yes Jesus called Simon as Cephas. but in that in itself, nobody really knows that Cephas refer to a stone or rock as translation has it stone/rock. But we all know that rock all over the Bible is Christ. Which make sense that the gates of Hades will not prevails it because we are the church and we built it on our faith believing that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God. A cleared scriptures is from 2 Samuel when David said The Lord is the Rock of my Salvation. Who give us Salvation? Jesus Christ. So, catholicism building church is just a place for gathering or any other buildings church’s. So if it is a building church, it is bound to be error. Reading the catechism, it strictly says it is a catholic doctrines. so there is a clash here that catechism is a doctrine of catholic and not the scriptures. For scriptures are just picky and applying to it’s catechism. I don’t think the buildings church are the true church for they are destroyed and easily be utterly gone. But for us believers even if we are killed, persecuted, we are not destroyed for our believed in Christ has saved us. Yes we do need church building to gather, but when gathering together and Christ is no longer the centre then everything becomes meaningless. Jesus was always sure the focus was on Him. the prophecy was on Him. infact, Jesus also said Luke 11:27-28 KJV
[27] And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. [28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
So Catholicism is like the woman who wants us to focus on mary but Jesus was sure to focus on Him. Practically, go and conduct a research and asked Catholics about mary, they will say all kinds of things that made mary equal to Jesus. Are we blind to see how far we have gone away from the truth? We are not to walk away but try to correct the Catholicism doctrine and if we are excommunicated by the catholic church, atleast, we did try. It’s not to cut ourself from the catholic church but we must cut ourself from the Catechism doctrines and come to the scriptures doctrine. For in the time of Jesus synagogues were many. so likewise, we have many church buildings. The one who knows truth will continue to enter these synagogues & preach the word but as in this era no longer can do that for it has evolved and calling it church creating false strongholds when that in itself has deviate our focus on the real church which is us believers. Deep in everyone, most no longer holds Christ as strongholds but rather on their church denominations. Yes, we listen to the priest, pope, bishops, pastors preached but we be careful not to do what they do.
When Jesus shall come, His throne will not be from Vatican or Rome but from Jerusalem. Remember always we are gentile crafted to His inheritance people, Israel. That’s why for us it is always coming to the Father through baptism which is simply an act for repentance, forgiveness and remitting sin and above all after the death of Christ Baptism was perfected in which we are purified. For us, it is always by believing, by repentance and faith. For Israel, God has chosen them to be His people. God made a covenant to them as circumcision. But for us do not confuse what is our true covenant. Baptism is not a covenant that commands even our infant to be baptized. Realise what actually Baptism is. It is just a purification process. The true covenant is the blood of Jesus. Luke 22:20 KJV
[20] In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
So our salvation confirmed only when we believed in the shedding of Christ’s blood at the cross. Not on religious grounds that just because we are being baptized as a baby then we became God children. That’s is merely a tradition of men that has creeps in the church for it is not a covenant. For us to be saved,it requires for one to believed in Christ. As a baby and as I grow up, I never remember really to focus my eyes on Christ, then when I am of aged of understanding i realise and came to Jesus understanding which give my eyes to focus on Him in which the Holy Spirit automatically convicted me to get Baptize. Then I realised, the baby baptism I got is not the real Baptism. Many of us thought that being Baptize as baby save us? but as we grow up; we realised we don’t really know CHRIST. For some, somehow in life realised who CHRIST is and believed and they took the true baptism upon realising it. Unless we recieved the true Baptism to be plunge or immersed then we have not come to true repentance how much we go to a priest for confession, it will not help. plunge and immerse at the beginning, the catechism did get it write but as it goes on explaining taking the thoughts of Augustine changes the true meaning of baptism. The catechism convert baptizing to covenant which can be clearly discern it is not. Yes for us who are believers we do think what happen to our baby? What we can do is we can do the sprinkling and consider it as only dedicated and later when our children are of aged we can tell them about Christ and to get their true Baptism. For Jesus only did His baptism when he too was of aged. what could it possibly mean? why didn’t Jesus do it at the age of 10,13,16,20 etc. John Baptized Jesus and Jesus said it is the righteous thing to do. More importantly, Jesus was immersed. As a child he also did the circumcision. So which means yes, since our church traditions has this practice of fake baptism as baby but when we are of aged we must get the true baptism as described in the beginning of the sacrament of baptism in catechism definition of baptism it’s immerse or plunge.
I am here only to say to each one those who consider the baby baptism is a true baptism, I will strongly say it is wrong. Get yourself the real baptized if God has spoken this day through this.
Refer Ezekiel 36:25 with Number 19 and Leviticus 14 then Hebrews 9:13 then Hebrews 10 19 so on then Act 8:37-39.
Also, refer the real explanation in Cornelius family (Act 10). As Peter was preaching, those who hear the word and recieved the Holy Spirit and they began to speak in tongues. If baby can speak in tongues then i truly believed it involves baby but we all beleive as baby we cannot speak. Then Peter further said, who can stop these from being baptized with water for they have recieved the Holy Ghost just as we?. In that era the recieving of Holy Ghost involved speaking of tongues. which some still believed till today. This is just for for further arguments. But Jesus has showed the way of what a baptism truly mean in Luke.
Amen. let the discussion be a discussion that brings us closer to God and His son knowledge, any knowledge that exceed God knowledge is in vain.