Difference Between Minister and Pastor
Minister vs Pastor
There are many names given to the preachers of the faith. Across many specific religions, the roles and titles of these people may somehow vary. So many people become confused with the terms: priest, reverend, pastor, and minister. It is probably the pastor and the minister that have the most confusing distinction.
In the Bible, it is clearly defined that a pastor is a person holding an office. He must meet a certain criteria or qualification in order for him to become one. In the book of Titus and 1st Timothy, a pastor is described chiefly as an elder. The term itself is derived from the Greek word “poimain,” which literally means “shepherd.” In the first chapter of Titus, pastors must be appointed in every city or district. As such, they must act as the area’s overseers. Paul’s conversation to a group of elders is also stated in the book of Acts with him exclaiming to the group that they have been regarded as the overseers who’ll shepherd God’s church. This clearly shows that a pastor is an elder.
Furthermore, Titus 1:5-9 also highlights the other important qualifications of a pastor. First, he must be a man above reproach. Second, he must be wed to only one wife. Third, he must possess the following qualities: prudent, temperate, hospitable, respectable, knows how to teach, not a wine addict, non-aggressive, peace loving, gentle, and not easily enslaved by the passion of money. Fourth, he should be the father of his very own household. Lastly, he shouldn’t be a newly converted individual and must bear irrefutable respect from people outside the church.
In the Roman Catholic sense, the pastor is the priest of a certain parish (one single church community) unlike in the Protestant sense wherein it is more of a job title offered to someone who is able to work as the religious head. In addition, ministers are generally found in the Protestant setup. To become one, this person should have been officially ordained. He can be an ordained minister but is not immediately assumed to perform the duties of a pastor whereas a pastor is already assumed to be able to perform the duties of a minister. When you become ordained as a minister, it means that you have been duly acknowledged as a trusted, religious figure or authority.
Summary:
1.The term “pastor” means an “elder, overseer or shepherd.”
2.The pastor of the Roman Catholic Church is the priest of the parish.
3.The pastor of the Protestant Church is the religious leader. It’s more of a job position or title.
4.The term “minister” means “preacher.” All pastors can perform the duties of a minister, but not all ministers can act as pastors.
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My pastor is a woman. Why is everything in this difference between… state everything in the masculine (he/him)??
Because men are , according to the Bible,over woman.According to the Bible a woman is not supposed to be a pastor.
Where does it say in the Bible men are over women? I haven’t seen that. and I says women can’t be teachers not preachers. In Romans 12:7 it says “Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching” which shows that minister and teaching are two things.
First Timothy 2:12
We must bare in mind that some “humans” both male & female tend to GRASP FOR POWER in any & all fields… You do good not to aim for the high seat Karen, in due time @the end of age & now, your humility will be rewarded where you will be neither male nor female but have a body “similar” to angels as Jesus Christ described it to the Pharisses
Get the scriptures clear, don’t misinterprete the scriptures, this has taken the church in the wrong direction.
Ask GOD.
HE entrusted the 10 commandments and ordenances to a man ..MOSES.
Ephesians 5:22-23 says the husband is in charge of the wife, not that all men are over all women. Then Ephesians 5:25 and beyond lays out the husband’s responsibilities (which are significant).
Ok.I understand about what the scriptures state.What i dont understand is if thats true.Then why when i was pocessed by Baal Peor and a sex demon and was embarrassed to inform the catholic church.Why was it when i asked God and prayed with all faith and used the scripture ask seek knock the door shall be open onto you everyday and God, the man that died on the cross for my sins to be forgiven was repeated over and over as i was touched by the holy spirit and it said to take my blessed rosary and say thos to it or that?Im a woman and was saved and i strongly belive that my lord and savior saved me.Im also catholic.So when you say woman cant be pastors and refer too scriptures which is true.Why did he work through me and saved me.Like you said gender dosent matter.Thats right.I was saved by doing what the holy spirit said….
Ok.I understand about what the scriptures state.What i dont understand is if thats true.Then why when i was pocessed by Baal Peor and a sex demon and was embarrassed to inform the catholic church.Why was it when i asked God and prayed with all faith and used the scripture ask seek knock the door shall be open onto you everyday and God, the man that died on the cross for my sins to be forgiven was repeated over and over as i was touched by the holy spirit and it said to take my blessed rosary and say this to it or that?Im a woman and was saved and i strongly belive that my lord and savior saved me.Im also catholic.So when you say woman cant be pastors and refer too scriptures which is true.Why did he work through me and saved me.Like you said gender dosent matter.Thats right.I was saved by doing what the holy spirit said….
That is due to the fact this is based off knowledge from the King James version of the Bible. It clearly states that a women by the word of God cannot hold such titles.
I believe in the New Testament, when it says ‘man’ it means ‘mankind’ (male and female).
We (men and women) were made in God’s image. Together a man and a woman stand as ONE.
Let’s also remember what was the culture and time like when the NT was printed. Notice I did not write when it was written. Some words might have been shorten for space, to accommodate a certain religion or political purpose.
May I add it was JESUS that was born out of a woman, he hung out and taught with women. As even so, he reprimanded Mary for not paying attention to him instead of keeping a clean house for the guests. He appeared FIRST to a woman. He healed women, he protected women…
Titus 1:6-9 details what is expected of a minister or elder (pastor), and it describes everything as if the elder is a man.
1Corinthians 14:34-35 says women shouldn’t speak in church. So that takes them out of a pastor role.
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man” – 1 Timothy 2:12
God deals with the spirit, not the gender, He will use whomever is willing, even a rock, so long as the vessel will submit themselves to Him for the Master’s use.
Well, that’s false. Despite there are no female preachers within a church setting throughout the bible, you would have to show proof to validate your view.
It’s non existent because I’m sure you and I read from the same scripture so you have nothing to show other than scriptures that you flipped to make it comfortable for you. Plus you have people who listen to you so they’re not tell you your incorrect due to false teaching so you see fit to continue falsely holding a position you shouldn’t.
God doesn’t contradict. Every person is equal in salvation. But it is wrong to extend this to say that equality extends to all roles assigned by God to men and women.
Samuel, all scriptures are not in the bible. The bible was made by man, and they picked what went in and what didn’t make it. God is with in all of us. Jesus was sent down and he had Mary Magdalene in his life. Those scriptures are not given to us. As a man of God, I believe we are all equal. Man, woman, black, red, yellow, white, ect… God is within us all, so, if our hearts are pure and our intentions are to help. God doesn’t care what form you are. Sorry but only reading a bible and not allowing the gift of “free will” is in no way what God wants.. Think about it why would he give us that one gift, to be controlled by a church?? You should be guided by his spirit! Its in all of us!! What’s right for you is not necessarily right for me.
God bless
Minister Jon Betlejewski
Wow, what in the world are you talking about? You went on a big rant about nothing pertaining to my comment about a woman being a preacher. You just spoke about how you felt about God operates the way you see it.
First off you say the Bible was made by man…You are correct since there isn’t a book in existence not written by man.
Secondly, so-called lost scriptures, text, or the Apocrypha are majority false writings or has not been or never was inspired by God.
Thirdly, who said that my knowledge only comes from the Bible and that’s the ONLY book I read? For you to be a minister and for you to make a bad judgment call like that, you need to correct yourself a bit. It will be impossible for you to know my knowledge through only one comment I’ve posted. Free Will is an open door for choice which obviously leads to wrong and bad choices. Scriptures talks about those falsely teaching. You should understand that being a child of God we all should be under one accord but you have the audacity to say to me that “what’s right for you isn’t right for me”…how?.
If you feel as if a woman can preach in the church despite the scripture states a woman should be silent in the church along with other verses that state that same submissiveness, you sir are confused. Woman has never had authority over man. There has never been a woman who preached in a church.
You talk about Mary Madeline….thats it? You don’t say nothing about Mary his mother, the 12 apostles, brothers and sisters that are in his life but just Mary Madeline…interesting.
Race doesn’t play a factor so I don’t know why you named colors. But as far as sex, there are different roles that we play between man and woman. Unless you can prove otherwise which you can’t, your reply Is pointless
@Samuel- God never would have wanted us to argue over something so pointless either. So with that said God Bless You Samuel may Christ be with you while you serve the Lord.
Disobeying God for your own agenda is not a pointless argument. People who state that don’t see the issue. People do what they want because they do it “in the name of God”… how can there be a problem with that right? Why would God have an issue with me doing something in the name of Him? God told you how he wants things done. If you deliberately disobeyed and do what you want, that’s a problem.
Sorry for the late reply. I never got notification that I got a reply from you.
At the end of the day, if you’ve read the Bible thoroughly then you know what it says. What you said is true, arguing over something that’s pointless doesn’t do anything. But at the same time you are accountable for how you represent God and as a Christian I refuse to watch people represent God in the wrong way. If it was I making that mistake, I would want someone to correct me to. It’s not the point that you’re doing something good based on what you see. It’s the fact and question of “what did God say do?”
People have an issue with being corrected, that’s ego and pride. There is not one woman who God appointed to run his church and teach and lead over man. Woman was created to help man, not the other way around. Man was placed in authority. Women are submissive to lead by men by God’s authority. Man is head on woman. I can keep going but people need to quit creating and adding to the word because they think it’s a good idea. One Trend starts and everyone follows. That’s not what the Bible said do.
I see Samuel doing as scripture says coming together to reason not an argument but when people don’t want to except truths sometimes not all times its stated you’re arguing but I think he handle the truth very well and sure the God I serve would be proud , these are old readings I’m looking at and writing but by now I hope many have been blessed to see much truths if they really had an open heart n mind PTL
Hello sir, since a woman is not allowed to preach in public, is she allowed to 1)))sing in the quoir
2)))is she allowed to prophecy?
Thanks.
What about Debra. She was the first woman Judge. And Priscilla, who was a Deacon. There are many women in the Bible who led. It was the times. Remember Jesus met people where they were at.
Also, when Paul said the women should be quiet, it was bcz, at the time, they being disruptive.
Yes, man was first and woman was made from his rib to be his helper. But nothing in the Bible says that a woman can’t preach or lead people.
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Thank God for a Christian that stands on the word that means he is walking in it and not just quoting and talking about it ” kudos to what I just read and I’m sure you already know some will accept n others reject this they did also to our creator nothing new under the sun
You spoke to my soul. I’m just now awakening to a whole another truth.
You spoke to my soul. I’m just now awakening to a whole another truth.
Minister Jon,
God is not within us all, We can get in him through his son Jesus Christ who died for our sins.
I would very much like to communicate with you if you don’t mind.
I found what you had to say of great interest.
You can say ” what’s right for you, may not necessarily be right for me”. God’s truths is for all of us. Stating what you said is leaving a wide interpretation, which is dangerous. As a pastor I would think you agree?
They do have female preachers/ evangelists in the bible. But they have female pastors.
to Robyn
Priscilla was never a deacon. The bible never indicated her as being a deacon and 1 Tim 3:8-12 tell you the requirements to being a deacon which would be impossible for a women to do since one is you must be the HUSBAND of one wife (some versions say ” faithful to HIS wife”).
What Paul stated still stands along with other scripture that show women to be submissive and silent. I’m sure you cant show where this lifted to make your point valid.
Women (meaning each wife)was to be silent and submissive to their own husband. They were not to teach or to usurp authority over their husbands because this is how God ordained it to be.
Hello…I am Paster Rita Kay McMillin
Romans 15:1-2 Paul says…
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea that you receive her in the Lord as becometh Saints and you assist her in whatsoever business she has need of you for she has been a sucoouer of many, and of myself also.
Servant means “diakonos” which means deacon and deaconess. A deacon and a deaconess can serve as a minister and if a church has no other pastor…then the minister takes on both roles as pastor and minister. Phebe was the first woman minister and she was ordained by Paul.
Deborah…in Judges…she was a Judge…but she was also a Prophetess..she was a minister of that time.
Amen
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man” – 1 Timothy 2:12
Read the quote again, retard, and tell me which part of it was unclear to you.
I feel like this level of stupidity and irrational emotionalism is EXACTLY why women were not allowed in leadership positions in the first place.
Prophesy means to preach, teach or foretell. Women do prophecy. Deborah was a judge and a leader and she had a husband, and barak wouldn’t go out to war without her. She led a man and she was in authority God used her. You have Priscilla and Aquilla the bible calls her name before the man possibly because she was the Pastor. We have 2John writing to the elder which means Pastor elect lady. The 5 fold ministry he gave these gifts to the church without gender. For the edifying of the church. Some Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor’s and teacher’s. A woman can be a prophetess, evangelist, teacher, she can also be an Apostle and a pastor. We are neither male nor female, jew, nor Greek. It God’s spirit, the Holy Ghost that worketh in us and through us. Pray I helped someone. God bless!
Prophecy was the gift of speaking God’s words, inspired by God. Judges 4:4-5 talks about Deborah and her role but she didn’t not preach over man in the church. Like many people you try to find the loop hole in a message but the issue is you are taking only part into accountability and not the entirety. Priscilla never was a pastor and she was never NOT without her husband. She assisted Aquila. 2 John 1:1, the apostle identifies himself as “the elder,” a title that reflects both his age at the time of the writing and his authority in the early church. The letter is written in sincere love—the words truth and love are found five times each in the first six verses. And the recipient of the epistle is a lady and her children—the “elect” lady, to be precise.
Elder never meant “pastor”. If elder did mean pastor then you are ignoring this scripture of what qualifies an elder or bishop as in Tit 1:5-9;
“For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should eset in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you if a MAN is blameless, the HUSBAND of one wife, having faithful children not accused of 2dissipation or insubordination. For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, gnot given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word as HE has been taught, that HE may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.”
I’ve never met a women who was the husband of one wife. “He” means man. I know you know this but it seems you are ignoring it.
There are no more prophets because they were chosen directly by God and spoke only of God’s direct Word, I Corinthians 10:12-13. This was done before the scripture were complete.
Also prophecy has ceased, 1 Corinthians 13:8-11.
Searching the Scriptures we find that there is an object not yet fully arrived at the time Paul wrote I Corinthians 13 which is called perfect. “But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does” James 1:25. This perfect law, when followed is able to make people fully complete, II Timothy 3:16-17.
Everything else you wrote has not indication about women preaching in churches and over man. God, man, then woman…that has always been the order of who head, Ephesians 5:23.
Clearly show women are not to preach in church, I Corinthians 14:34-37. “Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”
Proving that there once were women prophesying does not prove that women may preach. In addition, preachers are to teach others with authority, “Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you” (Titus 2:15). Yet Paul states in another letter, “And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence” (I Timothy 2:12). A woman is not allowed to teach a man, nor to have authority over a man. Hence, to fulfill this verse, a woman cannot act in the role of a preacher (speaking, exhorting, and rebuking with all authority) and not teach or have authority over a man.
People need to stop twisting scriptures to make their agenda valid. This is false teaching, II Timothy 4:3-4, Jeremiah 5:30-31 , Ezekiel 13:2-3, Jeremiah 14:14, II Peter 2:9-10.
Sam…..You are a perfect reminder of why I don’t feel a need to JOIN or become a member of any religious Organization. Some of you are obsessed with perfection of rightness or wrongness & MUST have the last word or burst an artery in frustration. Then there are the Fake religious participants who participate because it is good for their business or personal image in the community. I don’t feel compelled to read the words of others who expect that their interpretation is that of our God Source for all times. Evolution over time brought us awareness of new knowledhe & countless personal connections to the source by by countless individuals. EVOLUTION does, has & will continue to CHANGE THE NECESSITY of seeing, thinking, feeling, & doing things differently to get to the TRUTH of a matter. We are part of the Process of Evolution…BC AC DC etc etc etc. Even stones change their shape size color and purpose or usefulness over time. Wake up to NOW…you shortchange your life committed to living what is past!!!!! God Bless You with more current clarity. Use your senses & intuition..don’t get stuck, tied to ancient words of prehistoric times…Dinasours outlived their usefulness. Don’t be a stubborn dinasour, they are not only friendless, they are now extinct.
I like people who are ready at all times when they are called up for the truth. U are one of them. In the area of women not allow to teach in the church is very clear but they decided to disobey the Lord. I hope sir u are an independent preacher.
Ephesians 4:32
I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible where it is at all holy or wise to belittle and call someone out of their name. I will pray that your heart is softened to the point of being open to ALL of the Word and not just the parts that feed ypur egoic need to be right. People like you push others away from the teachings of the Holy Bible. If you cannot be kind, please just be quiet.
Not so, there is a rank of order. God created man first. Not that women aren’t intelligent. The word clearly ranks the woman under man. our bent because of sin is to usurp authority over man. I’m a strong woman of God, I don’t feel less or threatened by this.
A very smart remark. It is so strange to me how we determine for God who and what He uses. He used a cock to crow, an ass to speak and can’t use a women to pastor. If that be the case why offer salvation at all to the woman if she is that unworthy. She can raise a male child from infancy but not lead him spiritually. Sounds like a double standard to me. If the woman can’t pastor, then the man needs to raise the children.
@Deborah
(Speaking for myself) Its easily to state you’re misunderstanding the points and throwing in your own view. God can do whatever He pleases because He’s God, correct… but you are disregarding the law, the Word, and what’s written.
We can say what God says WE can do according to His Word, why? Because He states what we are to abide by in His Word…simple. Man has always will always lead. Bible clearly states for women to be silent in churches because its shameful and also women have no authority over man (1 Tim 2:11-12). They can help man like Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:26). That’s just some examples.
There were women who prophesied like the daughters of Philip (Acts 21:9, doesn’t say whom they taught), Miriam, etc. But this was not preaching in the church. Elders, Bishops, and Deacons have rules to carry these roles and due to the qualifications a woman cannot be one (1 Tim 3:1-2, Titus 1:1-6). More scriptures to point out but again men were the leaders and always will be.
The only scripture referring to a cock crowing is Peter’s denial mentioned in the gospel of Matt 26, Luke 22, John 13, and Mark 14 (which said before the cock crow twice). God didn’t use a cock nor make the cock crow. Roosters crow then as they do now to determine time. The examples of the cock crowing and ass speaking in comparison are not the same. There was not a angel present like Balaam and the donkey and the Lord open its mouth and she spoke.
Why cant a mother lead a son to God? I can name plenty who do.
Why are the women unworthy? Where did you get this conclusion? Sounds personal because its not scripture. A woman not having authority over man or not to preach in churches has absolutely nothing to do with being unworthy. If that’s the case why make woman at all?
Men raise their children everyday so don’t know the point of that response from you.
People use excuses all the time to do what they want. What does the bible say is the question.
You’ll contradict yourself saying it strange how people can say what God uses but you argue that women can do what only man is appointed to do…that’s strange. Problem is it’s not scripture. Everyone is in one accord under God. I say all of this out of love. I’m not attacking anyone. But it’s possible for me to believe that people read the Word but yet act and do the opposite.
Can you give me a verse ??
Out of context, when Debra was used her role was temporary ,given the position to oversee that the structure and foundation of the church was not compermised. She was releived of her duty afterwards.
In the Garden, when Adam and Eve disobeyed GOD they were both punished. Eve with subservience to Adam. Adam was punished by way of the sins effect of the beauty of GOD’S creation. Eve was said to having been decieved but not Adam. Adam willing choice to be with Eve, even under threat of death (spiritual)..
This specific scripture is to counter balance the heretic teaching that had been taking place at the time. Women were usually not educated and should not try and teach what they yet did not know. Also, just like in today’s world, there were those who just wanted to “get ahead” and were teaching concepts that were completely wrong, and women were grabbing on to those concepts and re-sharing them. So they were told “not to teach” because they did not have and were not sharing correct information.
There are women who preach in churches,
The Church of God down the street from where I lived had a woman preacher.
Jesus never discriminated anyone. He healed, loved, and gathered his flock which included Everyone.
When I read the New Testiment I always pay close attention to the words of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
Do you know the story when Jesus was sharing the Word with a group and the woman were cooking. The sister of one of those cooking sat with the men. The sister got angry and said to Jesus, Why is my sister allowed to sit with the men, it is against the law and she should get up and cook with the rest of us women.
Jesus said, do not rebuke her for wanting to learn about the Gospel. Learning about my Father is more important than food. She and anyone is welcome to sit with me and learn.
Who is was it that Jesus first appeared to after His resurrection. It was Mary Of Magdella who was his constant companion.
There were woman that held prayer circles in their homes. One was Pricilla.
Also, when we die and get reurected we will be in spirit form with no sexes.
I see so much rilvery in the different dominations each claiming they are right and everyone else is wrong. Jesus had two commandments:
1. Love God with all your heart and soul.
2. Love Each other as you love yourselves.
I don’t see that in the churches of today.
There was only on church in the time when Jesus walked this earth.
May God bless us all, thru Jesus Christ I pray.
Here’s the thing. I don’t expect for anyone to listen to me. I’m pretty sure you have someone who you are very comfortable at listening to and believing the words that they give you to be true. That’s typically how people are. Problem is you can easily go and read for yourself to see where the lies exist within man. At the end of the day how you feel and what you personally see fit doesn’t match with the truth, sorry.
First off many churches are doing things that they should not be doing. That does not make it correct. Just because there is a church down the street from where you live that has a woman preacher does not make them correct. They are still functioning incorrectly just on that factor alone.
It’s hard for me to believe that you pay close attention to words based on what you have said. You talk about the woman who sat down with men during learning the gospel. Let me be more precise with this argument. You are talking about Luke 10. Specifically about Martha and she was upset with Mary for not helping her serve while she was sitting at Jesus feet listening to the gospel.
To correct you, Martha was never upset because a woman sat with man and was disobeying the law. Jesus never stated anything about “learning about my Father is more important than food.”
You have twisted and added words to the scripture which I don’t understand why you did that. Im sure it is to protect your own flawed understanding. It sounds good to your ears, but it’s false. You can go back and read any version, you are incorrect. Mary seeing Jesus first after Resurrection has nothing to do with women teaching man. That was an irrelevant statement
You bring up Priscilla. Priscilla never did anything by herself by the way. She was with her husband and helped her husband teach in private. Again a private setting is not in the church which is what I’ve been talking about this entire post.
Again it’s hard for me to believe that you read thoroughly when you have deliberately skipped over women learn in Silence with all submission and do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over man, have any questions go ask your husband (1 tim 2:11-14, 1 Corinth 14:34,35, Titus 2:5)… I can keep going. People contradict God and make excuses. I’m sure the woman who preaches up the street from your house couldn’t have skipped over those scriptures. She found something that she thought was comfortable and those around her don’t have a problem with it which again is the problem
The problem is man wants to do with man wants to do. There is one God, one word, and over 41,000 different denominations, that’s crazy. There’s no problem with pointing out the issues which is what we are to do as Christians. We test the spirit because there are many teaching falsely (1 John 4). If you have an issue with being corrected, then that’s your problem. I don’t follow denominationalism nor did God. He doesn’t not like division.
Again, I don’t expect for you to listen. People always find false loop holes that never add up and they follow it anyway. I hope that you go study and realize the truth.
Thank you, well written and biblically sound. That’s the point are we biblically correct.
Samuel.. it is said in tn the Bible that Greater things we will do..the same power that raised Jesus from the dead would reside in us. It is also in the bible for us all to be filled with he Holy Spirit and go out into the world and preach the gospel to all mankind..throughout reading all of these words of Jesus I don’t recall once hearing Jesus say: Only men would have that power that raised Him up…I didn’t read only men were to go out and preach the gospel..we are all instructed t ok go out and make recipes out of people..to bring Jesus to them for their salvation…not to mention Jesus said “We are the church” this “WE” NOT “MAN” Yes man is the head of his household..over his family..so of I’m hearing you clearly your saying if I was with a man and he was unable to speak for whatever reason.. i’m a woman so I don’t have the right to act in behalf of a minister and according to Jesus help to get the word to that person hoping to help bring salvation to them..I should remain silent? Get your head out of the law of the bible and truly listen and follow the new covenant because when it comes down to it I’m sure Jesus is just glad to have one more saved individual rather than being concerned over who preached his word..MALE OR FEMALE
@Theresa Weiler
Thank you for your response
The bible does speak on greater things we will do but this does not make your view valid.
One of the issue that a lot of people do is that they convince themselves by creating scenarios or twisting words that doesn’t exist like you did by saying you dont recall Jesus saying, “Only men would have that power that raised Him up…I didn’t read only men were to go out and preach the gospel..” to make your view valid. Of course He didn’t say it but why are you ignoring the rest of the scriptures?
The Catholics believe that Mary is still a virgin but yet the bible never stated that she stayed a virgin and pray to her.
Many churches still tithe but yet the new testament says nothing about tithing and tithing was only for Levites that Israel gave to them only. They speak about the curses mentioned in Malachi but ignore, Galatians 3:13 where we are redeemed from it. So many things people twist and add.
To start the authority given to the apostles and the words they speak are from God as Paul stated, Gal. 1:11-12. Peter even stated the word would be twisted, 2 Peter 3:15,16. Even though Jesus didn’t physically say it, there is authority given which you are ignoring.
I understand wrote many comment on this post so I can understand you have confusion of my words. But at the same time you are telling me to “get my head out of the law of the bible and follow the new covenant” but it seems you ignored everything within the new testament.
I stated every time that women has no authority over man and cannot preach in a church. The last part you didn’t mention at all. Church is the assembly that we publicly do.
“Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.” I Corinthians 14:34. The added phrase, “as also saith the law,” supports this. The principle was there in the old law, it is there in the new. By referring to the old law, you’ll find that the women were not allowed to “lead” the public worship of the Lord’s people in any way, nor to speak out nor ever ask a question, I Corinthians 14:35.
I Timothy 2:11,12 does not deal with “worship services” of the church.
Now one of the above, however, prohibits a woman from teaching or praying, if she does not violate the principles noted above. Scriptures reveal to us that women did teach (Acts 18:26; 21:9; I Corinthians 11:5). In fact, women are commanded to teach (Titus 2:4,5). While women may teach in many types of situations, she may not teach in any assembly or public place where such action is in violation of the Scriptures noted above. This would not prevent her from teaching a group of women or a group of children, or even privately teaching a man (as Priscilla did, (Acts18). But it will prevent her from being a “preacher” or otherwise “leading” in a public worship or in a public setting.
Also to add as I did in other comments elders/deacons/overseers (bishops)/ are all roles given to men and only men. There is no deaconess. The primary and only passage used by those who advocate deaconesses is Romans 16:1, but diakonos means servant. The qualifications for the position of the three are found in lists recorded in I Timothy 3:1-11 and Titus 1:5-9. One of the qualification is that he must be the HUSBAND of one wife and THEIR wives must be reverent.
Woman was created as a helper for man, not man for woman – I Cor 11:8-9. This order of authority must remain, not just between husbands and wives, but in general between men and women – I Cor. 11:2-3,10. Man is head of woman, not just the household.
I can keep going but there has never been a women who ran God church in leadership over man. It would be hard for me to believe that you would accept your view after studying scripture.
To add people bring up prophet. Prophet does not mean teaching or preaching in a church assembly. People again choose to understand what they want and not scripture. You told me to get my head out of the law and into the new covenant.
The new covenant is the new law and it seems I should tell you the same about your head but im not rude and you’ll either choose to listen (if you care about the truth) or to ignore.
So yes, you are a women and you do NOT have the right to act as minister. Its not in scripture. Its never been in scripture. Your heart is in the right place, but you are misunderstood.
Amen to that Samuel. Too many are using the world’s standards to teach and show proof of their beliefs instead of God’s Word. His word is the final authority, Period! Blessings to you!
Amen!
I believe and know Gods word never changes, we can agree to disagree as Christian, I believe due the world evolving and different denominational churchs growing since time interpretation has been a issue,I personally believe a devoted Christian apologetic is needed here, for proper understanding of God’s intent from beginning, we as Christians are all required to minister and be disciples of Christ, no matter what our gender, although with that being said the our God definitely did create us as different creatures and different roles due to our gender, this is factual and there is no denial of this. The topic is more of leadership within the local church that the lord has established and the different roles not just as marriages but also in society, but we cannot lose sight of the big picture, and this I communicate with love, compassion and understanding, our feelings about this topic should not be included in our dialog. In final conclusion this is a interpretation problem which has evolved to long due to different congregations, but leadership roles are very defined and clear if we understand the clear interpretation of Gods Devine word, which never changes, the world and society may change, but we must be cautious. In all of this I pray in Jesus’s precious name. Amen
Name one woman in the Bible who preached in the church over man?
This has nothing to do with discrimination. One thing that people do is that they bring “discrimination” or “chauvinism” as if it matters. Discrimination has nothing to do with this entire situation. If the church evolves then you would have to show scripture to where evolving has came into place or is suppose to happen. You would then have to show me where God’s word has changed to fit yours or anyone else’s criteria. God clearly states not to add nor taketh away, (2 Timothy 4:3-4).
Denominationalism shouldn’t exist in the first place (1 Corinthians 1:10) because man has decided to do the right now over 41,000 different denominations built off of one word. That’s sad.
I’m sorry if I’m direct, but it’s the truth. This is love that I’m speaking. It’s not going to be cuddly and warm, but direct and truthful because that’s what love should bring.
You brought up Priscilla which I’m glad that you did. I hope that you notice that she never did anything without her husband who she was helping. She never did anything by herself. She never lead anyone. She never taught over man.
You can easily read the scriptures and see the truth. You and other people can’t sit here and talk for God against what he has said. People use love as an excuse to do anything they want based on how they see fit. Love does not mean “I’m going to do whatever I want in the name of God because it’s good.” You honor his word and show commitment and you do what he says. Woman has no authority over man. Woman does not lead man. Man is head over woman. Women learn in submissiveness and wives are submissive to their husbands (1 Corinthians 11:2-3, 1 Timothy 2:11-12, 1 Peter 3:4-6).
This again is not discrimination, superiority, Etc. It’s about order and respect to what God Says. People choose to ignore what the Bible says purposely just to do what they want. That is your choice.
I believe you Samuel and understand but maybe we should be more receptive and have peace in our hearts, I understand the proper interpretation of different roles and leadership with in the guidelines that God had established and thus also our covenant with Christ as he came into this world to be our savior and sacrificial lamb for all of our sinful nature, and this includes everyone no matter what their title or leadership position is Any where with in the world or our local church’s. I would suggest we took this to the CRI Christian Research Institute the mans name a reknown Apologetic is Ted Hanagraff he is the real deal, and corrected and assisted many in the world in biblical interpretation and Theology including Pasters elders, priests, ministers, rabbi’s lol, all leadership that want to claim there is only one Devine God, regardless of the Trinity that as Christians we all should understand how important this is. Again praise the lord Jesus Christ, and wevan give it all to him, and let us bring more of society to him, by sharing the gospel and allowing his inspired word to work through people, we need this more than ever now.
The way that I speak isn’t out of aggressiveness. I’m sorry if I came off that way. There is peace in my heart but I’m just speaking the truth. Simply put, do what God says do. It’s really simple to pick up a book, read it for yourself, and learn. People are swayed by man’s decisions without even knowing the truth. They run with it because it seems and sounds like a good idea. 2 Timothy 4 and Roman 16 all talk about those who twist scripture and preach false doctorine. It talks about how this going to come which people are doing today. Talks about the division among us due to these problems. But people think that everything that looks and sounds good it’s gold, that’s not the case. ” oh, it’s in the name of God so it’s fine”…no, it’s not.
I know many apologist. Is really simple again to understand text. There is a difference between comprehension and interpretation. Though both words are synonymous, they both differ. Interpretation is not the case here, is clearly comprehension.
Like I said earlier on her comment I replied to. It’s all love. If I was making a mistake, I would want to know what I’ve done wrong. I would hope anyone would feel the same way.
I know my comment is late, but Samuel I completely understand what you are saying. My pastor has taught me the same thing about women preaching. I also know about receiving the wrong teaching and being held accountable when God comes. You will always find people that will disagree, but thank you for spreading the word and scriptures.
I was taught that a woman can only go so far in the bible which makes sense why some consider themselves ministers and not pastors which is the accurate title.
I bet some would even argue that there are people in heaven with God right now when they’re actually all sleeping until the rapture takes place.
God Bless
As soon as you speak truth people think it’s aggressiveness. We can’t change what God has put in place.
Sorry everyone for all typos in my phone and run on sentences, we won’t have these issues in heaven which the lord our god has prepared a place for all that have accepted Jesus as their personal savior. Everyone have a blessed day
Richard, I appreciate your concern trying to say we should not argue as this issue will not be discussed in heaven. The fact is all that Samuel has said is the truth and anyone who reads the Bible with understanding will agree to the truth of women not leading men. Thanks Samuel. Let me digress from this issue due to your statement Richard, the Bible never said all who believe in Jesus Christ must be in heaven. JESUS CHRIST in Matthew 5:5 said blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. In line with the psalmist in Psalm 37:11,22,29 $ 34 showing that the wicked shall be cut off from the earth and when that is done, the earth will be rebuilt and made new, hence the prophet Isaiah spoke of new heaven and new earth as also revealed to John in the inland of patmos in Rev 21:1-21. The Holy Bible no doubt says the earth will be made empty, lie waste and turned upside down (an indication of swift destruction of the wicked) Isaiah 24:1-5, and in verse 6, it’s written, therefore hath the curse devoured the earth and they that dwells therein are destroyed : therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. Showing people indeed will dwell on earth still. Isaiah 11:6-9 speak of the unity and harmony that will exists between man and beast which in this world never dwell together. God says he never created the earth to be in vain, he formed it to be inhabited. Isa 45:18.see also Ecclesiastes 1:4, Psalm 104:5. There are many biblical reference that shows that people will live on earth even Christ teaching His disciples how to pray said we should pray for God’s kingdom to come. If the kingdom come who will be hear on earth to do God’s will as it is in heaven. There are people that will be in heaven, the saint beginning with the twelve apostles then others later called of God in the last days and then the meek and ancient worthies. There are many false teaching taught just to deceive the simple ones. I advise read the Bible portion I cited and do more research on this under the guidance of the holy Spirit praying for wisdom of God, James 1:5 as I did and God will teach you His truth. Don’t just believe everything but search the scriptures as the Christians in BEREAU did. God bless you and increase our understanding through Jesus Christ our Lord Amen.
Love you all, and let’s hsve peace and joy in our hearts
By the way the Bible is the Inspired word of God and the books and such and authors where chosen by God to do his work, let’s get that corrected lol
In other words the spirit of the lord cannot work through us properly if we do not have a full comprehension and Interpretation of his word. Amen
Bless you all the reason why we can not get it right with God it’s as a result of compromise you can not compromise with what is wrong to be right women in general terms are not permitted to teach thank you and God bless us all
In Joel 2:28 what did he say? I know women is not the head of men. God made us all in his image, so we all have his spirt in us,I do beleive thatGod poured his spirt out on all flesh. Back in Timothy it said but I suffer not a Women to teach, nor to upsurpathourity over the man, but to be in silence 1 Timothy 2 :12
I have sat with tears of how mis guided people are where the Bible is concerned. Also why are peple judging what is wrong and right when it comes to serving the Lord. Iam a pastor a female pastor at tha. I believe God wants us to love one another to fellowship with one another. No matter what your denomination we all serve the same God.Iam doing what God has lead me to do. There’s abook called the 12 women of the bible. May God bless you all. Remember in Christ we should be as one.
There’s no reason for you to be with tears, but you are in the wrong and in the incorrect position to have a role as a preacher in the church over man.
God never gave us Authority for women to preach over man. It’s impossible for me to believe for you to have this role but yet ignore scriptures fully with how it instructs God’s Church to be. The book 12 women of the Bible doesn’t have any indication of the women who preach in the church over man from Leah, Gomer, Mary Magdalene, Eve, Mary of Bethany, Hannah, Abigail, not one. The book is About Women written by women to encourage women, but it should not push you to preach in the church over man. It’s not even God’s words nor scripture.
It’s like Priscilla and how she was with her husband every single time and assisted her husband every single time. That does not make her a pastor, preacher, anything head over man when it comes to God’s Church.
What you are doing is no different than those who takes Gods words and twist it with the claim of you’ve been led to do this. That contradict scripture. There is no way that you understand that man is head of woman but yet you take on the role that you have. It’s impossible for me to believe that you understand that Pastor is another word for Elder or Bishop but yet one of the qualifications mentioned in Titus 1 and 6 is the husband of one wife. Solely speaks about a man through verse 5 through 9. 1st Timothy 2 and 12 Paul States women are not permitted to teach or have authority over man but to be in silence. It’s also required for a preacher to speak with authority and to rebuke,Titus 2:15.
I can keep going but at the end of the day you have to sit with the burden of proof which you don’t have for yourself. It’s amazing how people seriously twist scripture and ignore. I’m sure you have people who support what you are doing and because they don’t know either, they are beside you.
I’m newly converted. The spirit tells me that you are right. A close female family member mentioned she wants to become a pastor. She lives abroad. I will point out to other these scriptures. May ask you which denomination are you?
God bless you.
Let’s state the facts the very first female to carry the word was Mary. She carried the word of GOD in her belly Jesus. Dobrah was a prophetic and when Jesus went to heal johns mother after her healing she began to minister to him. Neither of this women were rebuke for being a servant. Even Hanna went before GOD in asked for Samuel and wasn’t rebuked. All GOD needs is a will vessels to spread the gospel. This is not about man nor women, who can spread the gospel. You have to know him for yourself. He died for all humanity not just man.
Sam I agree with you 100% for the glory of God
Greetings,
If I may offer my humble opinion, I’d like to first point out that the belligerent, derision is unbecoming of anyone endeavouring to reveal truths. That alone evokes close-mindedness.
Second, not even cold hard facts will change the mind of someone steadfastly determined to believe that what they believe is true.
Third, it would behoove us to remember, the people, the era, the customs, and the law. At that time.
In regard to the passage 1 Tim 2:12, this was an admonishment.
In ancient Yisrael, the men and women each had a role to live up to, a customary way of life, a traditional adherence to the law. In the Holy Houses, (churches) it was the men who did the reading and teaching, from the Torah and the women sat together in a separate section of the Holy House. Husband and wife, Torah, discussions were done at home. However, with the death of YHWHh (Jesus) much of the law was abolished. This gave women a new found freedom (in some areas). Some of the women, got a little too rambunctious with their liberation and were speaking out in the Holy House, which was against the rules, basically. So the husbands, as head of household, were told to keep their wives in check, so to speak.
This was an Eastern cultural thing. Women, were respectfully, subjective to their husbands. Men, were more responsible, leaders and caretakers then. But, even those responsibilies became more and more lax as time went by. Understand, these were mandates passed down over 2000 years ago.
Many requirements, rules, responsibilies etc., have changed in that time. Women have always been Ministers (one who tend to the NEEDS of, whether emotional, physical and/or spiritual) since the beginning of time and they have also always been Teachers, and have been both, not only to children, but men and women as well. In more recent times, especially here in the Western part of the world, women have had to step up and fill many positions men once held, (due to, a lot of times), their failure to do what was decreed by The Almighty.
As disciples and believers, we are to proclaim, to all who will listen, the teachings of HIS Son.
Church is more than a building.
Ministers are more than than just men. Thank you for your time!
May The Almighty Sovereign, bring peace and understanding to all who read this.
Hebrews 13:8. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.
People believe that because the Holy Bible was penned thousands of years ago it’s really not applicable today or that because we now are so much more technologically advanced that we should change what the word of God says. After taking the time to read every comment on this page it appears that most want Gods word to be different than it really is. Sam has made very valid points and has backed up his stance with Gods Word but most who do have their stance imbedded and seared into their beliefs are not willing to accept the truth. The Old Testament is filled with stories of those of the past who went down the path of iniquity because everyone else was doing it. It didn’t make it right then and it’s not right today. This page is all about the validity of woman pastors, right or wrong? Sam is right, placing a woman in the authority position is against Biblical teaching even though the modern denominations have begun its acceptance. Recently several denominations have accepted homosexuality as acceptable pastors as well. This doesn’t make it right and there isn’t anything in Gods Holy word that supports this new acceptance. However there are many who will find one or two verses out of the 3100+ verses in the Bible to support their corrupt view. Jesus instructs us to love all people but also warns us to adhere to His Holy word. Earth is Satan’s playground and he is always looking for weakness in humanity and he will use that weakness to deceive those who want to do Gods will but haven’t truly studied His word to it’s fullest. Yes, that includes myself and Sam. We are not infallible the same as all who have commented on this page. Sam made the comment about James 1:5. “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.” Reproach meaning disgrace or dishonor.
It would behove all men and women who have decided to be a pastor to go to their quiet place and pray and ask God for His Divine wisdom and go to His Holy Word and with an open mind without a personal agenda and ask Him to clarify His plan for your life.
My husband is not alive. So are women not to attend church if they don’t have a man. So married women have men who maybe was once in the church but are not now. So are single women not to attend church. So based on us keeping silent it should also mean not singing or doing secretarial work, or announcing in church.
Hi Lois, this is going to be long, as most things I write are. I hope you take the time to read it. I probably won’t be able to focus enough to keep it in perfect order.
Almost everything that has been said here and all the scriptures used, have little to do with a widow or single woman, or a wife who’s husband no longer attends church. It’s not about a woman not being allowed to be in a church, to learn and worship, sing and be active in the church without a man with her.
It is about women not being allowed to speak out in, or teach the congregation in a church setting. Women have always been allowed to speak with their husbands, kids, relatives and friends about God and His word. But the women of old, weren’t taught like men were. Gods word wasn’t passed down to women for the most part. His word was shared to some degree, but not really taught to women. Therefore, the majority of women were unable to speak of, or teach much about it to anyone in those days.
They could only speak of things they were told by their husbands, elders, family members and friends, with their own families and friends, rather than in churches. But churches did become a place for anyone who desires to attend. Or at least they are nowadays.
With most everything said here in this whole blog, no one has made the use of scriptures or their thoughts clear enough in my opinion. They’ve mostly taken a known (To Most) situation and actually made it kind of confusing. I think too many people are influenced by what the world and religion has become in modern times, instead of looking back into the history. You can look at the original traditions without knowing many scriptures. It seems to be a habit for some people to use scripture out of context and even attempt to twist it’s meaning to get their personal opinion or point across.
I’m an ordained Christian minister that has spent the last 50 plus years, studying Gods word, biblical history, world religions, world history, including ancient history and civilization, since I was a young man. I’m not going to quote scriptures, but will mention things that are generally, biblically and historically understood. Maybe someone else will want to add scriptures if they think they are needed. My writing here is mostly about history.
I am a Christian, but not “religious” at all. The “religious” aspect of Christianity can cause separation and division within the “Christian community”. The various Christian denominations, with their varied doctrines, covenants, dogmas, “Rules” and so on, really can be so far apart that some of them completely oppose each other in many ways. Some of them are actually mortal enemies…(Think of the constant fighting and killing between the Irish Protestants and Catholics)
These different “Religious Christians” all use the same Bibles, but are formed out of opinions and individual interpretations of the true biblical theme. I know we all think in our own way and have our own ideas about life and religious ideas, but the Bibles that all these people read, have the same exact words, although there are several Bible versions to choose from. Gods real word has never changed, ..people have. If you pray before reading and study, you can trust God to reveal it’s true meaning, if you are willing to let God’s spirit lead.
I believe that the hundreds of original denominations and the thousands of off-shoots that developed over the centuries, were formed to satisfy followers that have a need for Gods word to fit what their lifestyles dictate, rather than everyone conforming to what God actually says to us in His word. Sometimes there are things we need to give up to faithfully conform with what God’s word actually teaches. I think there are too many people who aren’t ready or willing to give up these things. New denominations have formed because of things like this.
Being a true Christian is actually basic and simple. Being “religious” can be complicated and very hard to maintain. I find that religion itself can create too many limitations, while being “Christian” has no limitations at all. I also believe that the “religious” aspect of Christianity can be very unfair and judgmental at times. True Christians judge no one! “Real” Christianity is about Love! God is Love…
Back in the early days, long before Jesus lived, there were not really churches as we see them today. There was the great temple in Jerusalem, but hardly any real churches or temples anywhere else. The “church” gatherings were more like the in-home Bible studies that we have now and have had for centuries. Not many people were able to go to the temple, or a church building in olden times, because they lived too far away. They had “Church” in their homes.
Most people in ancient times never traveled more than a few miles from their home, in any direction back then. If they did, they walked. Because of this, they were pretty much restricted to going short distances from their homes. This actually was the case, clear up until the mid 19th century and still true for some in the early part of the 20th century, in many cases. Some people lived their whole lives within about five miles from where they were born.
Only the affluent could afford horses, donkey’s, cattle, camels or elephants to travel with. People who lived near water, used boats. Those who traveled the world, used large ships. Since most people either grew their own food or lived near farmers from whom they could buy or barter for food, they had little need to travel. During the first century into the second millennium of the common era , during the First Crusade, hordes of people walked from Western Europe, all the way to the Holy Land.
In those beginning years, people met in houses and yards or fields for “church”, where the men taught, as was the law since the beginning. Gods word was passed down from man to man. When it comes to women speaking out in the church, it’s about the way God created us in a different way, with different emotions, abilities and responsibilities and our positions in life that He set up.
During new testament times, we learn that women weren’t allowed to speak in or lead church services, because it was “the woman who was first deceived”. This is referring to Eve being tempted and deceived by Satan in the garden of Eden. She believed the first lie and did eat the “fruit” of the knowledge of good and evil, committing the first sin. It wasn’t a new idea for the first century AD (CE). It was always the idea since the beginning.
Only men gathered in churches or had religious meetings in the beginning. Later on, women were also allowed. There was a leader, a man, who taught Gods word, that he learned from his father and elders, who learned from their fathers and elders. The men would ask questions or make comments about Gods word in the meetings, usually standing up as they spoke. All the church leaders were men. Women were not allowed to participate verbally. I don’t believe this applies to women today…